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Meeting of the Parliament 06 October 2022

06 Oct 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Bill

I have a lot to get through.

If we told someone that their rent might be frozen but that, by this time next year, when they want to move, the market might look completely different—fewer flats might be on the market, rents might be higher because demand outstrips supply and applicants might be fighting hundreds of others for a single property, as is already happening in our cities—we might get a different answer.

We cannot cap rent increases at zero per cent for ever. There will always be an end point if the Government holds true to its word that the cap is temporary, but that creates a cliff edge. There are genuine concerns about that and about a spike beyond affordability at the end of the temporary period. We know about that because international models and the evidence base tell us about that from when such measures have been tried in other places. Such evidence has largely been ignored—for the sake of passing the bill, I guess.

Last week, I wrote to every housing association in Inverclyde and North Ayrshire. The associations jumped at the chance to talk to me; normally, they hear from us only when we have complaints about property. They all said the same thing—that they were blind-sided by the policy. They have genuine concerns and are now scrambling around to rewrite their cash-flow and spending plans.

One housing association told me that if—I accept that it is an “if”—the rent freeze continues beyond March 2023, it will cost the association £5 million, which it wanted to spend on homes that are specifically designed for people with disabilities. Another housing association said that it was not consulted on the policy, which will—not “may”—significantly reduce the association’s ability to maintain existing homes to a high standard. If that organisation’s assumption is wrong, the Government must say why it is wrong.

People from another housing association who rang my office yesterday after watching the news were aghast—they said that the cost of the rent freeze will equate to their entire kitchen and heating repair bill. That association has squirreled away a huge pot of money for a rainy day, and—my goodness—we are heading into rainy days.

The common themes in all of the responses that I got from the housing associations can be summed up quite simply. They are all frustrated at the abject lack of consultation before the bill came to us; they are furious that the Government was not listening to them; and although, of course, they understand the pressures on people, they are keen to stress that they are already doing their level best to take measures to support people. They want people to live in well-heated, well-looked-after homes, which is better than people having no home at all.

Yesterday, I made the point that not all landlords are lolling around in buckets of cash. Many rely on their single rental income as part of their pension or as their sole income. That does not make that scenario right, but that is a reality that seems to have been missed. Mr Rennie is completely correct, because it is not just the intention of the bill that we are voting on that matters; the perception of it will also matter, specifically to landlords.

I will close by making another plug for amendment 81, about data, which I lodged and which the Government defeated yesterday. Mark Griffin made a point about that yesterday as well. Data is so important to what happens next, if the bill is passed. Without data, we will have no idea whether the legislation is having a positive or negative effect on the housing market. I want to know that, because data cannot be that hard to come by. Surely, civil servants can produce those reports. If we are worried that the warnings from many quarters about the consequences of the bill might ring true, I want to know that when the time comes. Nobody wants a depleted private rental market—that benefits no one.

I end where I started: rushed law, even if the general principle of it was well meaning, which I think it was in this case, will have consequences. As always, we will not know until it is too late.

16:11  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-06213, in the name of Shona Robison, on the Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Bill at stage 3...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
I am very pleased to open today’s stage 3 debate on the Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Bill. The debate over the past three days has been wide...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I heard what the cabinet secretary has just told the Parliament. Can she reference where that evidence comes from?
Shona Robison SNP
I think that the evidence of a cost of living crisis is evident to everybody other than the Tories, who have, through the consideration of the bill, shown on...
Miles Briggs Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Shona Robison SNP
We had to act with this temporary intervention to make sure that people have the support that they require—
Miles Briggs Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary, will you resume your seat, please?
Miles Briggs Con
Presiding Officer, I think that the cabinet secretary is deliberately trying not to answer the question that I asked her. I asked her for the reference for w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Mr Briggs, as you will well know, that is not a point of order. It is a debating point.
Shona Robison SNP
I can tell Mr Briggs that, over the course of those 15 years, we have seen the private rented sector go from 100,000 to 300,000 private rented properties. I ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Miles Briggs to speak for around six minutes. I advise Mr Briggs and other MSPs that there is a bit of time in hand, so if they take an intervention, ...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I start by thanking all the organisations that have provided useful briefings during the passage of the emergency bill, and I thank the Parliament’s bill tea...
Shona Robison SNP
In his analysis of what is impacting on landlords, will Miles Briggs acknowledge the immediate impact in the here and now—today—of the rise in interest rates...
Miles Briggs Con
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Shona Robison SNP
I know that various members have said that interest rates are a global issue and are not particular to the UK. Has the member seen the Bank of England analys...
Miles Briggs Con
I can tell the cabinet secretary that what is worrying landlords, especially those in the social rented sector, is the bill. That sector is worried about whe...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I indicate at the outset that Labour will support the bill at decision time, and I thank the minister for his collegiate work on our amendments on what has b...
Miles Briggs Con
Given that the Labour Party has developed and pushed the policy, is the member able to say in what other part in the world such an approach has not been remo...
Mark Griffin Lab
The part of the world that I can tell the member about is this part of the world, where people are worried about having to make a choice between feeding thei...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank the minister for listening to members who have had concerns about the inclusion of the social housing sector in the scope of the bill. What I like to...
Shona Robison SNP
I take the member’s point. The only thing that I would say is that one of the things that the housing to 2040 strategy is strong on is the vision that people...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Willie Rennie should be winding up now.
Willie Rennie LD
I absolutely accept what the cabinet secretary said, but the impression out there among private landlords—rightly or wrongly—is that the Government is anti-l...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to support the emergency legislation, which will secure—with limited caveats, of course—a six-month eviction ban and a six-month rent freeze for...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I will start on a note of consensus. Over the past few days, Mr Doris has made sensible points about the situation in social housing. It has been good to hea...
Bob Doris SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie Greene Con
In a second. However, if we pitched things differently, we might get a different answer. If we told someone that, if the Government capped their rent, that ...
Bob Doris SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie Greene Con
I have a lot to get through. If we told someone that their rent might be frozen but that, by this time next year, when they want to move, the market might l...