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Meeting of the Parliament 09 May 2024

09 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. As one of the culprits, I apologise.

I welcome today’s debate and the progress that it represents. To members who came into Parliament just this session, I say that I have been working with a wide range of organisations on the policy in the Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill for the past seven years—it seems longer. I genuinely welcome the valuable work of the lead committee and the constructive series of recommendations that it has produced as a result of its scrutiny of the bill. It gave me food for thought and did its job well.

I will focus on a number of those recommendations later but, first, I want to talk about why the bill is needed. Many moons ago, there was a song called “(How Much Is) That Doggie in the Window?” which went:

“How much is that doggie in the window?
The one with the waggly tail ...
I do hope that doggie's for sale”—

I will not sing it. The sale of puppies in pet shop windows has long been banned—but has it? Windows have changed to Microsoft Windows and the internet, and the understandable impulse to acquire a puppy or young dog has remained—indeed, if anything, the pandemic increased that demand, for reasons that, quite frankly, I fully understand.

My second preliminary point is that the proposed legislation is not to punish or blame but to educate. We would agree that there is a surge in the level of dog ownership across Scotland combined with a lack of an informed approach from the public to buying a dog. With criminals always alert to demand and profitable opportunities, there has been a rise in unscrupulous breeding through, for example, puppy factory farming, where puppies and breeding bitches are kept in appalling conditions—unsocialised and often very sick—then marketed as expensive, desirable commodities.

Purchasers who are unaware of the reality behind the cute online images pay thousands, and the conveyor belt of misery continues. Purchasers might even have bought a puppy to “save” it—they might save that puppy but not the next or the next. Despite worthy endeavours by the Government and animal welfare agencies, illegal breeding and heart-over-head, casual purchases from unscrupulous suppliers continue. I consider that the issue might best be attacked by addressing demand.

Some six years or more ago, I had a similar bill ready for the off when the pandemic put everything on hold for two years. The pandemic only emphasised to me the need for my bill.

Referencing the illegal trade, extracts of evidence from key stakeholders who support my bill demonstrate the scale of the issue. The Scottish Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals estimates that the illegal puppy trade is worth £13 million. Animal Trust has highlighted the huge rise in problems that have arisen from people buying dogs that they cannot properly look after, including the fact that abandonment rates continue to rise, with 96 per cent of rehoming centres reporting an increase in behavioural issues.

Battersea Dogs and Cats Home found that only 5 to 10 per cent of puppies across the United Kingdom are coming from licensed breeders, who should ensure healthy puppies and appropriate new owners. Up to 95 per cent of puppies are bought from unlicensed sellers.

Calls to a helpline run by the Scottish SPCA on giving up pets have quadrupled, with costs, vet care and inappropriate living conditions cited as common reasons. A recent survey found that only 29 per cent of people considered cost when they got their pet. Dogs are the most frequently abandoned animal, and rehoming centres are experiencing incredible financial pressures as a result.

Evidence from the Dogs Trust is among the weight of support for the bill that was received by the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Its submission describes the purpose of the bill as

“educating and providing prospective dog owners with the tools to purchase or rehome a dog more responsibly, and to identify and avoid unscrupulous breeding practices.”

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
We resume business. However, I will just say that this is follow-on business, so it is more than a bit disappointing that so many members were absent at the ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. As one of the culprits, I apologise. I welcome today’s debate and the progress that it represents. To members who ca...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
The member makes a very good case as to why new legislation is necessary. My understanding is that her bill would include a code. Could she say why she feels...
Christine Grahame SNP
Heaven forfend Dr Allan would offend me. I will come to that point. The evidence that was provided to the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee reflects the v...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a little bit of extra time, Ms Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
Thank you very much. Part 2 seeks to establish a register of unlicensed litters, and I remain passionately committed to the policy behind that proposal. At ...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, reflecting on our stage 1 inquiry and report on Christine Grahame’s member’s bill...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Excuse my ignorance on the matter, but there is a significant involvement of organised crime in dog breeding in Scotland and I wonder whether, during its inq...
Finlay Carson Con
We do not have any specifics about that, but everyone on the committee certainly understood that organised crime, gangs and so on could play a big part in th...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
I am someone who has had dogs in his life from the age of eight, when I got my first Labrador pup, called Pepper, until very recently—a period of just shy of...
Finlay Carson Con
I welcome Christine Grahame’s bill. The committee heard Gillian Martin, who was the minister at the time, say that she agreed with almost everything that Chr...
Jim Fairlie SNP
I cannot say why something has not been done in the past, but I can say that the Government takes the commitment seriously and that the code that Christine G...
Christine Grahame SNP
I have considered that. Like the minister, I appreciate that there are good people—such as farmers, the police and the owners of guide dogs for the blind—who...
Jim Fairlie SNP
The Scottish Government also agrees with the attention to detail in ensuring that sections of the bill are consistent with the Animal Welfare (Licensing of A...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Christine Grahame on introducing the Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill and on her concerted efforts during my time in Parliament to improve anim...
Christine Grahame SNP
I would resist being more breed specific, because that would start to clutter up the rather simple questions with regard to the breed. If someone considers t...
Maurice Golden Con
I think that that makes a lot of sense. It has been suggested that there could be type-specific information, too, but we could very quickly start to go down ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I, too, put on record my recognition of Christine Grahame’s work on the welfare of dogs and on the illegal puppy trade. She has done a lot of work in the Par...
Christine Grahame SNP
I will go into more detail when I sum up, but the UK has come quite a distance on this. It has been suggested that, if there is a portal for all the individu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Ms Grant, I can give you time back for the intervention.
Rhoda Grant Lab
I am grateful for that intervention, as it highlights that the many companies that deal with microchip registers could come together and make them available ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I think that five companies provide microchips across the United Kingdom. The problem is not so much collating the information from those microchips but the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Again, I can give you the time back, Ms Grant.
Rhoda Grant Lab
Yes, it does need more thought. That is not a criticism of Christine Grahame, because there is a limit to what any back-bench member of the Parliament can in...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Earlier this year, I was horrified to find out about a case of illegal and cruel puppy farming in Inverness, in my region. A couple had rented out their cott...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I remind members that those who are participating in the debate need to be in the chamber for both the opening and the closing speeches. We move to the open...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
I thank Christine Grahame for her work so far on the bill, which addresses issues that I know are very close to her heart. I also thank the committee for its...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I add my congratulations to Christine Grahame on introducing the bill. I also congratulate her on resisting the temptation to burst into song during her spee...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As recently as February this year, 24 cockapoo and cavapoo puppies were discovered in a dire situation. They were confined in cardboard boxes under a lorry c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Speak through the chair, please.