Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
13
Parties on record
2,355,091
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,355,091 contributions in session S6, 16 Apr 2026 – 16 May 2026. Latest 30 days: 148. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 14 May 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 13 June 2024

13 Jun 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Kindergarten Stage

I am very grateful for that intervention, which speaks to the heart of what I am going to talk about. The way to look at this is to look at the young people themselves—from babies and young children—all the way through.

Intellectually, we can identify that initial movement of a baby just thrashing around on a mat as unoccupied play. Then there is the sort of solitary play in which a child does not want to be with anyone else, except perhaps their mother or father. Then there is spectator play, in which they observe other children playing. Then there is parallel play, in which they sit down—often in a sandpit, with their hands in—and play by themselves but next to others. Then there is associative play, in which they want to start involving others. Finally, there is co-operative play, which is very much at the foundation of play pedagogy and what organisations talk about. The ability not to argue with the child next to them because they have taken a piece of Lego, the ability to solve a problem because they want something on the other side of the table that they cannot reach, and the ability to be helped up by one of their young comrades when they fall over a root in the forest are all the very soft but essential skills that are required.

That sits at the heart of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, in articles 31 and 29. I will spend the short time that I have on that in particular. Article 29 talks about education being

“directed to ... The development of the child’s personality, talents and mental and physical abilities to their fullest potential”.

How we support that approach—how we scaffold that and provide the environment to achieve it—is not fixed by adults’ decisions that “at this age, you do this, and at that age you do that.” It is about understanding the flexible needs.

Mention has been made of existing schools in which play, particularly in P1 and P2, is such an important element. However, it has taken many years to move what is at the heart of the curriculum for excellence about the use of play into the classrooms—if I can use that phrase. I visit schools and watch P1s in the most wonderful outdoor play areas. I talked about fixed assets and mention has been made of training. We have wonderful early years workers, but of course they need support and training. It is also about the facilities and experiences that our young people and children have the opportunity to be in. It is right to mention Charlotte Bowes and #Play4P1, because the network of support that is there for practitioners is phenomenal.

I am conscious of time, Deputy Presiding Officer. To open the discussion is very important, but just to sit with a formulaic idea of replacing the start of school at four or five with something else is to miss the opportunity to have a transitional experience for young people so that they learn through play not just up to eight but into adulthood, and are ready to take the next steps, supported by the communities around them.

13:14  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-12369, in the name of Fulton MacGregor, on fostering a discussion on a kindergarten sta...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
First, I thank all members who have supported my motion, which calls for a discussion on a kindergarten stage in Scotland. I pay particular thanks to my coll...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I echo everything that Fulton MacGregor has just said. Does he agree with me that Diane Delaney is an absolute trailblazer when it comes to campaigning and h...
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I completely agree with the member: Diane Delaney, who is a constituent of both hers and mine, is certainly that. At its most basic level, a kindergarten st...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr MacGregor, I have been very generous, but you are now at almost 10 minutes. Please complete your speech.
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I will leave it there, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr MacGregor. My clock is at nine minutes and 52 seconds. The chamber one was not switched on, in error. We now move to the open debate. I urge m...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate and I thank Fulton MacGregor for bringing it to the chamber. I am particularly keen to see a wider debate about whether t...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank Fulton MacGregor for lodging the motion for debate in the chamber and for continuing the work of Kaukab Stewart. I will quickly mention my respect fo...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to take part in what is perhaps one of the more fascinating members’ business debates. Along with others, I thank Fulton MacGregor for bring...
Fulton MacGregor SNP
This point is for Martin Whitfield as well as for Bob Doris. Does he accept that it is not just about whether a child is ready for school? Both my children w...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am very grateful for that intervention, which speaks to the heart of what I am going to talk about. The way to look at this is to look at the young people ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
As colleagues have done, I congratulate Fulton MacGregor on securing the debate, and I thank Upstart Scotland, Give Them Time and everyone else who has long ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Our guests in the gallery are very welcome and I am glad that you made it for part of the debate, but we do not invite gallery guests to clap during our proc...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I was not intending to say anything in this debate, but members have made very thought-provoking contributions. I have to say that I am a stickler when it co...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Natalie Don to respond to the debate. You have up to seven minutes, minister. 13:23
The Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise (Natalie Don) SNP
I am thankful to Fulton MacGregor for bringing this debate to the chamber, and I truly welcome the many excellent contributions that we have had from members...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate. I suspend the meeting until 2 pm. 13:31 Meeting suspended. 14:00 On resuming—