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Meeting of the Parliament 11 June 2024

11 Jun 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Child Poverty
Ross, Douglas Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I think that every member in the chamber agrees that we must eradicate child poverty, that no child should go to bed hungry and that every child deserves the best start in life. I genuinely do not believe that anyone on the Government benches thinks that that feeling is not held strongly by Opposition members. Likewise, those of us in the Opposition believe that every single member of this Parliament wants to strive to eradicate child poverty.

Like the First Minister, I speak as a father of two young boys, who I admit to having hugged a little tighter and held a bit closer in the past 48 hours, because the strength that young people provide us as families and our society has no barriers. It upsets me to see that so many children in Scotland are disadvantaged by poverty.

On the consensus point, I thank the First Minister for using this as his first debate and for leading a discussion in this Parliament on an important topic for those of us who are elected here and for our constituents up and down the country. I note that he repeated what he said when he was seeking to be First Minister and leader of the Scottish National Party, which is that eradicating child poverty will be his Government’s single most important objective.

I believe that that is a laudable aim, but I must treat it with a degree of scepticism, because we were promised that closing the attainment gap would be Nicola Sturgeon’s defining mission and that the then education secretary, the now First Minister, would not narrow the gap but close it completely, yet that gap has barely changed at all.

The First Minister’s predecessor, Humza Yousaf, said that he would reduce national health service waiting lists following the pandemic. That was going to be the priority of his Government, but they have grown. A record one in seven Scots is on an NHS waiting list. A previous SNP First Minister, Alex Salmond, promised that the SNP would dual the A9 by 2025—next year—but instead of completing that work on that vital lifeline, it has been delayed by at least a decade or more.

Successive SNP leaders have promised to focus their Government on defining issues but have been distracted by their campaign for independence. The First Minister could set out a very strong and clear signal today that he really means what he has said previously in the chamber and what he has just said in the debate—that eradicating child poverty will be his Government’s top priority—by ensuring that he puts that mission and not independence as line 1, page 1 of the SNP’s manifesto.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
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The First Minister (John Swinney) SNP
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Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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The First Minister SNP
We will take forward the issue in dialogue with local authorities. As Mr Marra will know, local authorities act independently of the Government and they have...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Does the member think that it is a distraction to have lifted 100,000 children out of poverty?
Douglas Ross Con
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Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will Mr Ross give way?
Douglas Ross Con
I am looking at the First Minister, the member’s boss, who I think wants to come in first. If I have time, I will come back to Mr Stewart.
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Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Mr Ross take an intervention?
Douglas Ross Con
Is there any time in hand, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes.
Douglas Ross Con
I will give way to Mr Stewart.
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Douglas Ross Con
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The First Minister SNP
Will the member give way?
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The First Minister SNP
Mr Ross sets out a laudable aim, and the Government is working as fast as it can to deliver on that objective. However, the challenge that Mr Ross has ignore...
Douglas Ross Con
I will acknowledge that the Scottish Government now has the highest-ever block grant to spend here in Scotland to deliver—Interruption. If SNP MSPs can say ...
The First Minister SNP
Will the member give way?
Douglas Ross Con
I will give way if I have time, or the ministers can come back to the point when summing up.
The Presiding Officer NPA
You have a little time, Mr Ross.
Douglas Ross Con
I have a little time. We will go for a hat trick, First Minister.
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Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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