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Meeting of the Parliament 11 June 2024

11 Jun 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Child Poverty
Swinney, John SNP Perthshire North Watch on SPTV

I know that Mr Briggs has a long history of raising that serious issue, which cannot be divorced from the challenges on the availability of housing stock in society in general. The Scottish Government has a substantial record on constructing new social housing. A moment ago, I set out the scale of the achievement on affordable homes. Comparatively speaking, we have moved at a faster pace than has happened in England and Wales, and we have delivered more projects and more accommodation on the ground.

However, I acknowledge the severity of the issue that Mr Briggs has raised. The Government’s housing strategy is designed to intensify the development of affordable housing in Scotland. One of the challenges that we currently face is the availability of financial transactions, which has been the mainstay of our approach to the affordable housing programme. That is why the Minister for Housing, Paul McLennan, has convened the housing investment task force, which is exploring other finance models to enable us to expand the housing supply. The fundamental answer to Mr Briggs’s fair question is to ensure that we have adequate housing supply to meet the needs of our population.

I turn to the Government’s performance. As a consequence of its policy aim of keeping 100,000 children out of relative poverty, the Scottish child payment alone is estimated to be keeping 60,000 children out of such poverty. That is a policy choice that the Government has made, at the expense of other policy options that it could have adopted. It has also been informed and enabled by the decisions that the Government has been prepared to take on tax, which have created greater availability of revenue for investment in public services and programmes than would ordinarily have been the case. At the heart of the debate is our willingness to take decisions that will be controversial and challenging—ones that people might not always like, particularly on the tax question—to enable us to take the necessary action on eradicating child poverty.

Recent analysis from the Trussell Trust found that our policies have helped to slow the pace of demand for food parcels, with Scotland being the only part of the United Kingdom not to see an increase in the number of such parcels being distributed through the trust’s network last year. On that measure, the Government’s activities are, again, achieving the objective of ensuring that families have at their disposal more resources that enable them to exercise more choice over their circumstances.

Although there are signs of great progress, I recognise that we still have a long way to go and that we face headwinds. We are greatly constrained by our budget settlements from Westminster, which, historically, have been challenging, as well as by the limits of our devolved powers.

For too long, decisions that are made at Westminster have undermined our ambition and the progress that we in Scotland seek to achieve. Next month’s general election brings its own uncertainty and challenges, and we all have to recognise that decisions that are taken at a UK level will inevitably set the context in which we have to operate. This Government has demonstrated that we will use all the levers that are available to us to make as much progress as we can, but a United Kingdom Government that was more favourable to our objectives would help, rather than hinder, us in that regard.

Our ambition is to ensure that every child in Scotland has the means, resources and support to enable them to reach their full potential. We will ensure that the Government has the necessary focus on eradicating child poverty, because that is the surest investment in Scotland’s future. That touches on some of the choices that will be relevant in the forthcoming general election campaign and decision.

From the start of the current financial year, the Government has increased all social security benefits by a further 6.7 per cent to provide more support to people on low incomes and those who need it most. In total, we are committing a record £6.3 billion to benefits expenditure, which is £1.1 billion more than the United Kingdom Government gives the Scottish Government for social security purposes. We are essentially putting the investment where it is required.

One of the exciting projects that we have taken forward has been the investment of £16 million to expand our early adopter community projects. I visited one of those projects in Fife and heard at first hand from parents about the difference that having a reliable childcare service and support makes to their family. Yesterday, I visited Pollok United to see one of the after-school clubs that is supported through our extra time programme, which is a joint initiative with the Scottish Football Association to provide before-school, after-school and holiday football clubs for children from families on low incomes. This year, we are investing an additional £4 million in the extra time programme and expanding it to 31 clubs, which will give around 30,000 children each week free access to sport and other activities that wrap around the school day.

In combination with our decision to distribute a one-off emergency fund of £1.5 million to support councils to help remove the impact of school meal debt on families, we are taking practical measures to support families at a local level. The passage of the Housing (Scotland) Bill, which includes homelessness prevention duties, will go a long way to supporting what needs to be delivered to address the issues that Miles Briggs put to me.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13566, in the name of John Swinney, on Scottish Government priorities: eradicating child poverty. I invit...
The First Minister (John Swinney) SNP
When I accepted the Parliament’s nomination as First Minister, I made it clear that the single greatest priority for my Government would be the eradication o...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I appreciate the way in which the First Minister has approached the debate. We will all be grateful to put the election to one side in order to take part. I ...
The First Minister SNP
I know that Mr Briggs has a long history of raising that serious issue, which cannot be divorced from the challenges on the availability of housing stock in ...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Given that the First Minister is talking about children in poverty in school and interventions over the school holidays, can he comment on whether all local ...
The First Minister SNP
We will take forward the issue in dialogue with local authorities. As Mr Marra will know, local authorities act independently of the Government and they have...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I think that every member in the chamber agrees that we must eradicate child poverty, that no child should go to bed hungry and that every child deserves the...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Does the member think that it is a distraction to have lifted 100,000 children out of poverty?
Douglas Ross Con
I am saying that there is consensus. I do not think that anyone is trying to say that one party or the other has all the answers. I will go over some of the...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will Mr Ross give way?
Douglas Ross Con
I am looking at the First Minister, the member’s boss, who I think wants to come in first. If I have time, I will come back to Mr Stewart.
The First Minister SNP
I hope that Mr Stewart will forgive me for getting in here. Mr Ross and I know that he and I will never agree on the constitutional question—unless, of co...
Douglas Ross Con
I do not believe that it is. That is why I came here today. I am leading this debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives because I think that it is right...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Mr Ross take an intervention?
Douglas Ross Con
Is there any time in hand, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes.
Douglas Ross Con
I will give way to Mr Stewart.
Kevin Stewart SNP
I am glad to hear Mr Ross say that the eradication of child poverty should be a priority for all of us. Will he try to persuade his Westminster colleagues to...
Douglas Ross Con
If Kevin Stewart and others will allow me, the way that I will approach this debate is by putting forward some of the things that we can do in the Scottish P...
The First Minister SNP
Will the member give way?
Douglas Ross Con
I am sorry. If I have time at the end, I will come back to the First Minister. In the 2021 election, the SNP Government promised to end homelessness and rou...
The First Minister SNP
Mr Ross sets out a laudable aim, and the Government is working as fast as it can to deliver on that objective. However, the challenge that Mr Ross has ignore...
Douglas Ross Con
I will acknowledge that the Scottish Government now has the highest-ever block grant to spend here in Scotland to deliver—Interruption. If SNP MSPs can say ...
The First Minister SNP
Will the member give way?
Douglas Ross Con
I will give way if I have time, or the ministers can come back to the point when summing up.
The Presiding Officer NPA
You have a little time, Mr Ross.
Douglas Ross Con
I have a little time. We will go for a hat trick, First Minister.
The First Minister SNP
We should probably leave the footballing analogies for another day. On the question of the poverty-related attainment gap, the Government remains absolutely...
Douglas Ross Con
What has made the actions of the Government more difficult is its priorities and the way in which it has chosen to spend the record block grant from the UK G...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As we have already heard, there is no issue that we debate in this chamber that is more important than the work to tackle child poverty; all parliamentarians...