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Meeting of the Parliament 29 February 2024

29 Feb 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, as I am a practising NHS general practitioner. I am also a member of the Parliament’s Health, Social Care and Sport Committee.

Despite warnings that the SNP-Green Government is unable to articulate and communicate how the national care service would work in practice, Parliament is nevertheless asked today to support a bill on the basis that, come stage 2, all will be revealed. Really? That is not how scrutiny of legislation is supposed to work. We are not here to give the Government the benefit of the doubt—I know that the islanders of Arran would not and neither would those using the A9 nor patients waiting for cancer treatment.

The Law Society of Scotland is also concerned about the bill as presented. It says that effective scrutiny is a crucial element of the creation of good law. It is therefore essential that there be further clarity in both policy and drafting terms at an early stage to allow for proper scrutiny and appropriate stakeholder engagement.

I am mindful of other flagship bills that the SNP-Green coalition has tried to push through Parliament over the past couple of years. Here we go again. When it comes to the latest SNP rebrand of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee members are well aware that there is a dearth of detail and so many unanswered questions. The bill is far from ready for a stage 1 vote. There is criticism from professional organisations, unions, charities and councils. All four members of the committee who are not SNP or Green dissented from up to 46 of the 110 recommendations, including support for the bill’s general principles.

The so-called principles are so broadly drawn that it is not clear who the principles apply to, how accountability and enforcement would work, how the principles will be evaluated and how they fit with rights under the Equality Act 2010—we all know how important that is lest legislation goes pear-shaped.

The SNP-Green Government argues that we were asked to approve a framework bill, that much of the detail will be set out in secondary legislation, and that it is simply trying to work at pace and be efficient. However, the many areas that we highlight are ones that should be addressed in primary legislation. The Law Society of Scotland’s view is that that is not inconsistent with the aim of ensuring responsiveness and adaptability. Furthermore, the approach whereby the bill is scrutinised in advance of the co-design process limits our committee’s role to provide full and effective scrutiny at that stage of primary legislation, given that important details are simply not available.

The SNP-Green Government’s approach to co-creation is highly problematic. There is no statutory basis for the co-design process in the bill and no statutory guarantee for meaningful engagement from a full range of stakeholders. There are many understandings of co-design, but we do not know what the SNP-Green Government has in mind, nor do we have a plan for how it intends to go about it. That might suit a Government that has a reputation for secrecy and—according to some of its own members—authoritarianism. The Scottish ministers will be responsible for the national care service in a way that seems to them to best reflect the national care service principles. Despite shared legal responsibility with COSLA, the Scottish ministers are responsible for monitoring and improvement of services, with significant discretion afforded to themselves.

We all agree that social care reform is well overdue. The Scottish Conservatives support key recommendations of the Feeley review, including national employment conditions for staff and treating social care as an equal partner to the NHS. However, instead of opting for a centralised, top-down approach to care, as advocated by the SNP, we believe that there are many approaches tailored to those needing support that we could be doing now, as Monica Lennon suggested earlier. That can include caring for people with a terminal illness, many of whom are spending their end-of-life journey at home. By 2040, 60,000 Scots will have palliative care needs—10,000 more than today. We need to ensure that everyone in Scotland has a right to the palliative care that they need.

The SNP-Green coalition is bent on centralising social care at the expense of local authorities. This has all the hallmarks of a power grab that will not improve social care delivery, and it is an expensive power grab at that. Parliament’s Finance and Public Administration Committee has repeatedly raised concerns about how it will all be funded and the fact that the costings do not, and could not, reflect the actual cost of the provision of the bill. The SNP Government decided to plough ahead with its failed scheme, ignoring the concerns of experts.

The SNP-Green Government is spending more than £800,000 every month on civil servants for the national care service already. We were told by the Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport, Maree Todd, that to get a national care service up and running, we should expect a total spend of £1.6 billion—now we are told that it will be less, but it will still be almost £1 billion.

The type of national care service that is advocated is the wrong priority for Scotland. Where are the efforts to eliminate delayed discharge that were promised by Shona Robison by the end of 2015? Yes, you heard right—2015. As the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh reports, in the year ending in March 2023, there were more than 660,000 days spent in hospital by people whose discharge was delayed because they did not have a social care package to support them at home. There is a double whammy: Scottish Care has warned that one care home per week is closing in Scotland. We now have 19 per cent fewer care homes than in 2013, with private care homes being cheaper for the public purse.

Humza Yousaf is the mastermind who drafted the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill in June 2022, with a plan to complete stage 1 by March 2023. The fact is that the NCS bill has been delayed four times. It had to be radically overhauled, and implementation was postponed until 2029, but just yesterday and today Maree Todd tried to tell us that she was going to prevent delay. The SNP-Green coalition is making up the timeline as it goes along.

If the issue were scrutiny, we would have everything with us already. We need to ensure that the enormous challenges that are faced by patients, young and old, are dealt with today.

15:23  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12331, in the name of Maree Todd, on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I note that w...
The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I thank everyone who has contributed to the consultation on the national care service, our co-design sessions, the annual forums and the many meetings that m...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
As a disabled person and a user of social care, and as someone who gets a lot of representations on the subject in my inbox, as many of us do, I have to say ...
Maree Todd SNP
I agree that people have waited a great deal of time for this change, but let me assure the member and the public that change is coming. Over the past 10 yea...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will the minister take an intervention on that point?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The minister is about to conclude.
Maree Todd SNP
The experts are the people who use community health and social care, as well as unpaid carers and the staff who provide the care. I repeat that the status q...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Clare Haughey to speak on behalf of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. 15:03
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I hold a bank staff nurse contract with NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. I...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am glad that Clare Haughey mentioned Anne’s law, and I welcome the report’s recommendations. I note that the committee agreed that Anne’s law should be ful...
Clare Haughey SNP
The committee considered the bill in its entirety, including all the different sections, one of which concerns Anne’s law. The consensus agreement with the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Kenneth Gibson to speak on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. 15:12
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I apologise for missing the first minute of the minister’s opening speech. I also convey my thanks to the Finance and Public A...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, as I am a practising NHS general practitioner. I am also a member of the Parliament’s Heal...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Social care is in crisis right now. Care packages for some of our most vulnerable people are being cut, almost 10,000 people are stuck waiting to receive ass...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Here we are again, debating another iteration of what was, in essence, a line in the SNP’s manifesto in 2021. The election was three years ago, and we are he...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Cole-Hamilton, you must conclude.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
That is what we should be focusing on today and not this ill-fated bureaucratic waste of time. 15:37
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee who has been present during the entirety of the committee’s scrutiny of the bill and preparation o...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
Does Emma Harper agree that, as part of that, we must also look at self-directed support and how that is delivered across the country? When we look at the na...
Emma Harper SNP
I will come on to self-directed support, but it is part of the complex landscape that needs to be reformed, so that we can make changes and help to support t...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
When a major committee of this Parliament concludes that it is concerned that the Scottish Government has, so far, been unable to articulate and communicate ...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
I think that everyone agrees on the critical importance of social care. It is a requirement for more and more people in society, and that will continue, due ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I understand that the member has been asking for the target operating model for some time. Does he think that it is acceptable that it appeared only yesterda...
Ivan McKee SNP
As Jackie Baillie identifies, the committee has been asking for that information for a while, and I am glad that it came out before the debate. To be fair, t...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the clerks and members for their participation in the process. The establishment of a national care service gives the Parliament the chance to be bol...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
The National Care Service (Scotland) Bill offers us the opportunity to build care services that truly reflect our shared values of dignity, fairness and resp...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
What one difference will the bill make to somebody who is in receipt of social care today or tomorrow? What one difference will it make to their life?
Kevin Stewart SNP
It will make a difference through having a care service that is not only fit for today but right for tomorrow. I know that the minister is working with great...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
As a member of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, I echo my colleagues’ thanks to the clerks and those who gave evidence to the committee. There i...