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Meeting of the Parliament 06 June 2024

06 Jun 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Rail Fares
Ruskell, Mark Green Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

They may be running for their trains.

Last Wednesday, I was delighted to join passengers on the first train to Leven and Cameron Bridge since 1969. The Cabinet Secretary for Transport was with us, too. It was especially wonderful to join tenacious campaigners from the Levenmouth Rail Campaign. It is clear that those new stations will change lives.

Rail services are permanent and deliver far-reaching economic benefits, and investing in rail connects communities, offering a fixed, greener, cheaper transport option for as many people as possible. As a Green MSP, I have always been a strong advocate of investment in rail, new rail stations, decarbonisation and the reform of fare structures and pricing. I have repeatedly called for the nationalisation of ScotRail and the Caledonian sleeper, and, as the cabinet secretary knows, the Green group secured significant funding for rail as part of the Bute house agreement.

I think that we all agree that radically improving public transport is good for people, the economy and the planet. Back in 2021, I met the four rail unions outside Parliament for the launch of “A Vision for Scotland’s Railways”. We agreed on much in that report, and the removal of ScotRail’s peak-time fares was one of those ideas. We have been proud to fight for and win the removal of peak-time fares on ScotRail services for a trial six-month period, which started in October 2023. Alongside the four rail unions and tens of thousands of passengers who have felt the benefit of this transformative policy, we now call on the Scottish Government to make the change permanent.

Why do simpler and cheaper rail fares matter? Transport is responsible for about a third of our greenhouse gas emissions in Scotland. Road transport alone makes up about three quarters of those emissions, with a significant proportion coming from passenger car use. The Scottish Government says that it is still on track to achieve net zero by 2045. It also has the important target of reducing the number of car kilometres by 20 per cent by 2030. Significant, transformative investment in public transport, including rail, is essential if we are to have any hope of encouraging people out of polluting private cars and reducing Scotland’s carbon emissions.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-13270, in the name of Mark Ruskell, on permanently ending peak rail fares on ScotRail. ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank members for signing the motion, and I thank those who have stayed to debate it.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please resume your seat Mr Ruskell. I ask those leaving the public gallery to do so as quickly and quietly as possible. Mr Ruskell, please resume.
Mark Ruskell Green
They may be running for their trains. Last Wednesday, I was delighted to join passengers on the first train to Leven and Cameron Bridge since 1969. The Cabi...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Mark Ruskell talks about investment. Does he or anyone else know what the cost of the off-peak rail fare pilot is or is likely to be? That will be a factor i...
Mark Ruskell Green
John Mason makes a good point. There was an allocation in this year’s budget, but it is, of course, a changing picture. It depends on how many people get bac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 12:55
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I congratulate Mark Ruskell on securing it. I will keep my contribution brief. The removal of the peak...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Mark Ruskell on securing the debate. I was very happy to sign his motion, because I agree with every word of it. The removal of peak fares on...
Graham Simpson Con
I see that Mr Ruskell wants to make an intervention, and I am happy to take it.
Mark Ruskell Green
I am enjoying hearing Graham Simpson’s not just acceptance but enthusiasm for green policies, but I am interested in what his views are on demand management....
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Begin winding up, please.
Graham Simpson Con
I will close by answering that point. My view is that I am more of a carrots man than a sticks man. The kind of proposal that Mark Ruskell has come up wit...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate and to Mark Ruskell for lodging the motion. As an MSP and Scottish Labour’s transport spokesperson, ...
Mark Ruskell Green
I thank Alex Rowley for his mention of the unions. I met the four unions again on Monday. They told me that, from the perspective of workers, the scheme has ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I will give you the time back, Mr Rowley.
Alex Rowley Lab
As well as speaking to rail unions, from speaking to rail workers when using the trains, and from speaking to passengers, it is clear that the policy is posi...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
As other members have done, I thank Mark Ruskell for giving us the opportunity to debate the policy today. I am proud that the Scottish Greens were able to s...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I remind members of my voluntary register of trade union interests, and I thank Mark Ruskell for bringing this important debate to the chamber. Let me start...
Ross Greer Green
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Richard Leonard quite rightly referred to his entry in the register of members’ interests, which made me realise that...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Greer. That is now on the record. I invite Fiona Hyslop to respond to the debate. 13:20
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
I thank Mark Ruskell for lodging the motion and all members for their contributions. I, too, recognise the role of trade unions in calling for this policy, a...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Does the cabinet secretary agree that, however much information the assessment, or a final report, can currently give us, it will be an assessment only of th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary, I can give you the time back.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Patrick Harvie makes a reasonable point. As he knows, it was after the Bute house agreement ended that I took the decision, along with colleagues, to extend ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That concludes the debate. 13:28 Meeting suspended. 14:00 On resuming—