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Meeting of the Parliament 05 June 2024

05 Jun 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Oil and Gas Industry

Apologies.

Those indisputable facts combined mean that a serious, responsible Government—one that cares deeply about Scotland’s offshore energy industries, as the SNP has always done—must now plan and deliver a managed and fair progression to a dynamic and internationally competitive system of energy of the future, which we are so well placed to deliver.

That means a just transition, and there is much talk of that across the political spectrum. The difference is that the SNP is not only talking about a just transition but working to deliver it. I will come back to that in a moment, but I will first address two other matters on which there has been much discussion recently.

The first is licensing. Regrettably, licensing—and therefore control—of Scotland’s oil and gas resource remains the domain of Westminster. Although my party is working to change that, while it remains the case, Scotland has the energy but lacks the power. We have seen in today’s prices how £400 billion-worth of our oil and gas revenues have flowed from the North Sea to the UK Treasury coffers.

Licensing decisions do not rest with the Scottish Government, but we are clear that the UK Government must approach licensing on a rigorously evidence-based, case-by-case basis, with robust climate compatibility and energy security being key considerations.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13482, in the name of Douglas Lumsden, on recognising the contribution of Scotland’s oil and gas industry...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
During the most recent debate on oil and gas in the chamber, I stood here and said that the Scottish Conservatives were the only party that is committed to e...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Douglas Lumsden Con
Is there any time, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
There is the time that has been allocated; we have no extra time.
Douglas Lumsden Con
I am sorry, Mr Johnson. I will continue my speech. I want to spend some time today in considering the recent report from the Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber o...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will Mr Lumsden take an intervention on that point?
Douglas Lumsden Con
I am sure that we will hear from Mr Stewart later. There is also huge distrust that the industry will be given the opportunity to expand, because of a backw...
The Minister for Climate Action (Gillian Martin) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Douglas Lumsden Con
We will hear from you later as well.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Mr Lumsden, please speak through the chair.
Douglas Lumsden Con
I apologise, Presiding Officer. Indeed, the report shows that the political environment is now the biggest concern for those who are involved in the industr...
Gillian Martin SNP
Will Mr Lumsden take an intervention on that very point?
Douglas Lumsden Con
I am sure that we will hear from the minister later. In fact, when asked, those who responded to the survey went even further. They were asked to rate the i...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy (Màiri McAllan) SNP
I begin this important debate on points of indisputable fact. First, Scotland’s highly skilled oil and gas workforce is hugely important to us now and will c...
Douglas Lumsden Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Màiri McAllan SNP
Absolutely not, when you did not take a single one.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Through the chair, always.
Màiri McAllan SNP
Apologies. Those indisputable facts combined mean that a serious, responsible Government—one that cares deeply about Scotland’s offshore energy industries, ...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Last year, the cabinet secretary said that she was consulting on a more robust climate compatibility checkpoint, including for oil and gas fields that are al...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am very happy to do so. Labour’s position, whether it has intended this or not, is an outright ban. The approach that the SNP has always articulated and wh...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am afraid that I do not have time. Our position puts us squarely between the London parties. On the one hand, we have the Tories, who are wilfully ignorin...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I will not. I do not have time, I am afraid. However, we object to the London parties extending and increasing that levy, focusing disproportionately on Sco...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I must ask you to conclude at this point, cabinet secretary.
Màiri McAllan SNP
I will conclude by saying that we know that the task is difficult, but the opportunity and the prize are enormous, and we are already working to build the tr...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
This debate should be about how we ensure that we have the energy to power our homes and industry, how we deliver climate leadership, how we secure the econo...
Gillian Martin SNP
Will the member give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
Not just now, thank you. Last month, there was another failed SNP deadline, with no draft just transition plan for Grangemouth being published despite a com...