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Meeting of the Parliament 04 June 2024

04 Jun 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Social Care

I think that this debate has been misnamed. It is entitled “A Vision for Health and Social Care in Scotland”, but this SNP Government has not had any vision for health and social care for the past 17 years.

For those who do not believe me, here are the words of Audit Scotland from its damning report on the state of the NHS from earlier this year:

“There are a range of strategies, plans and policies in place ... but no overall vision. The absence of a shared national vision, and a clear strategy to deliver it, makes it more difficult for NHS boards to plan for change.”

There you have it.

Up to now, the SNP’s past two health secretaries have resisted the BMA’s repeated requests for a national conversation. Now that we are on to our third health secretary, I can only assume that the sudden change of heart is because the SNP is indeed bereft of ideas and needs some help.

I say as a matter of record that the Scottish Labour Party is happy to help, because we care too much about the NHS not to do so. However, I gently point out to the cabinet secretary that the BMA, the Royal College of Nursing, Unison, the GMB, all the royal colleges, the social care sector and even we politicians have been offering suggestions for years. Here is the rub: even when we make suggestions, the SNP is incapable of implementing them properly.

I cite the national care service as one such example. It was first proposed by Labour more than a decade ago and was rejected by the SNP; now, suddenly, it is the SNP’s big idea. The problem is that the SNP’s plans are all about structures, not raising quality or improving culture—which is essential. Not one penny is going on care just now, when 9,000 people are waiting to be assessed for care and existing care packages are savagely slashed right across the country.

There is no doubt in anyone’s mind about the scale of the crisis that is faced by the NHS in Scotland. It is profound. Hard-working staff across the health and social care sector are doing their very best to care for us, but they are burnt out and demoralised. Vacancy levels among nurses and doctors are higher than they should be; the use of agency staff to cover shifts in social care is increasing; and GPs are struggling to cope with increasing demand as the promised numbers of new GPs have failed to materialise.

We can all agree that the NHS and social care are nothing without the staff. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude, but we also owe them better workforce planning and an increase in training places. The Government needs to urgently review the process of workforce planning and, while it does so, it needs to make better efforts to retain existing staff. We are happy to make suggestions in that area.

Then there are the lack of access to mental health support, the rise in delayed discharge, the failure to meet cancer treatment targets and the ever-growing waiting lists for treatment. When we add in the £1.4 billion in cuts that the health boards and health and social care partnerships are making, the picture will get even worse. Indeed, when the SNP came to power, spending on health per head of population was 17 per cent higher than in England; now, it is only 3 per cent higher. The SNP has eroded spending over time, so it is little wonder that, on its watch, life expectancy has dropped.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13466, in the name of Neil Gray, on a vision for health and social care in Scotland. I invite members who...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
We have reached a critical point in our country’s health. We are seeing growing demand on our health and social care services, which needs to be addressed, a...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
One way in which the health service can be prevented from being overburdened is to introduce the audit of fracture liaison services, which the Government com...
Neil Gray SNP
There are areas that we should develop in the details of the service delivery that we can achieve, such as the one that Pam Duncan-Glancy mentions. That is w...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Last week, we heard from midwives about the struggles that they face during training. What consideration has been given to apprenticeships for midwives and o...
Neil Gray SNP
Finlay Carson touches on the important issue of attraction and retention, which is being worked on by the nursing and midwifery task force. We need to see an...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests: I am a practising NHS general practitioner. The future of our national health s...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
Does the Conservative vision for healthcare include its remaining in public hands?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
It does, 100 per cent. As an NHS GP, I will always want the NHS to be free at the point of care. In fact, if you listen a little bit longer, you will hear so...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
—which is our vision for the NHS, the member will be able to understand our 26-page policy document. To achieve that, our country will need to truly embra...
Neil Gray SNP
I really want to focus on ideas on how we will move forward. I agree with Sandesh Gulhane’s suggestion on refocusing and prioritising some funding for preven...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for interventions, Dr Gulhane.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
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Neil Gray SNP
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Jackie Baillie Lab
First, those figures are neither misleading nor factually inaccurate. They were taken from data that has been published by Public Health Scotland. I will no...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak in the debate on behalf of Scottish Liberal Democrats. I am grateful that the cabinet secretary offered to meet me. I know that, in adv...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 16:54
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
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Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
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Sue Webber Con
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Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
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Sue Webber Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Made a request to intervene.
Christine Grahame SNP
Yes, I will take an intervention.
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
I call Sue Webber.