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Meeting of the Parliament 23 April 2024

23 Apr 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I open the debate with my thanks to the Criminal Justice Committee for its stage 1 report on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill. It represents comprehensive scrutiny, over many months, of an important bill that aims to improve the experience of victims while protecting the rights of the accused.

I welcome that the committee took evidence from victims and survivors, and that it did so in a way that supported them to tell their story and be part of improving the justice system. I thank everyone who gave evidence to the committee, particularly victims and survivors, who—quite rightly—are at the centre of bill and the process of reform.

I want to reflect on why the bill is needed. Scotland’s justice system has evolved over centuries. Similarly, our definitions of what is criminal behaviour have changed over the years, reflecting changes in societal attitudes. Those two elements go hand in hand: our system must be capable of delivering justice for victims of all crimes and adapting where it is not serving us well. No part of the system should be exempt from scrutiny.

Although there have been positive, iterative reforms over the years, the committee has heard compelling evidence that, for many, the process of getting justice is just as traumatic as the crime itself, or, where a case results in a verdict that has no definition and cannot be explained to the victim or the accused, it can feel like there has been no justice. That is simply not good enough.

The bill proposes a package of reforms that responds to the views and concerns shared by victims and survivors. It is informed by the work of the victims task force; Lady Dorrian’s review, “Improving the Management of Sexual Offence Cases”; and independent large-scale jury research.

We want to deliver a system in which victims are treated with compassion and their voices are heard; that meets the needs of survivors of sexual offences, the majority of whom are women and girls; and that is more modern and transparent, enhancing public confidence.

I am pleased that the Criminal Justice Committee supports the general principles of the bill. I welcome the committee’s recognition of justice agencies’ commitment to trauma-informed practice, alongside an acknowledgement that more needs to be done to embed that across the system.

The bill creates a statutory definition of trauma-informed practice and introduces a requirement for justice agencies to set standards for, and report on, trauma-informed practice.

The bill will strengthen on-going non-legislative work, including the knowledge and skills framework, which was introduced last year. The committee heard from many witnesses that legislation is key in that regard. As Lady Dorrian said,

“it will provide the ... impetus towards creating that necessary culture change.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 10 January 2024; c 6.]

The bill recognises that civil proceedings can also cause trauma. It enhances protection for vulnerable parties and witnesses in civil cases, by extending the use of special measures and by protecting people who have suffered abuse from being cross-examined by their abuser.

The bill seeks to reduce trauma and improve experiences through the creation of two new automatic rights for victims of sexual crime.

The right to anonymity for victims of sexual and certain other offences is particularly important in today’s social media age. It will help protect victims’ privacy and dignity and may increase the confidence of victims to report offending.

The publicly funded right to independent legal representation for complainers when requests are made to lead evidence about their sexual history or character is a substantial change to a deeply intrusive aspect of sexual offence cases. It will mean that a complainer is recognised as a party in the proceedings in respect of such applications, helping to ensure that they understand the process and that their voice is heard.

I very much welcome the committee’s view that the not proven verdict has “had its day”. It is a verdict that is not defined or well understood, and which can lead to confusion and trauma for victims and stigma for the accused. The bill will abolish the not proven verdict in all criminal cases and retain the widely understood verdicts of guilty and not guilty.

I recognise that the bill raises challenging issues and that some proposals were not supported by the committee, including the jury reforms that accompanied the removal of the not proven verdict. The bill proposes reducing the number of jurors in a criminal trial from 15 to 12 and changing the size of the majority required for a conviction from a simple majority to two thirds.

The Scottish Government’s position is based on evidence that suggests that moving to two verdicts while retaining a simple majority will lead to an increase in convictions in finely balanced cases. No other similar jurisdiction in the world considers it appropriate for convictions to be based on a simple majority decision. The evidence also tells us that groups of 12 deliberate more effectively than groups of 15. However, we have always recognised that a range of experts have differing views on what reforms, if any, should accompany the abolition of the not proven verdict. I respect that the committee came to a different conclusion from what is proposed in the bill and I will think carefully about the issues that the committee has raised.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
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John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving way and for the remarks that she has just placed on the record, because this is a significant issue. In he...
Angela Constance SNP
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Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The cabinet secretary already knows my position on juryless trials, so I will not reprise that. However, I would like clarification that the proposal is for ...
Angela Constance SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I now call Audrey Nicoll to speak on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee. 14:15
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am very pleased to speak in this afternoon’s debate on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee. I extend the committee’s sincere thanks to the clerking te...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Criminal Justice Committee team for their assistance and not least for the unseen work of the eternally patient researchers and clerks. Committee...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member accept an intervention?
Russell Findlay Con
I will.
Christine Grahame SNP
I thank the member for his tone and for his thoughtful contribution. There you are. When I was in practice as a civil practitioner many moons ago, that alr...
Russell Findlay Con
I thank the member for her intervention and have dialled down my flamboyance for her today. I agree. The member speaks to a point that is a recurring theme,...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I sincerely thank my colleagues on the Criminal Justice Committee and the committee clerks for what is an excellent report. The convener outlined its content...
Angela Constance SNP
I wonder whether Pauline McNeill is aware of the written evidence of the senators of the College of Justice, in which they said that, despite the new jury di...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I acknowledge that, but I hope that the cabinet secretary agrees that some progress has been made, in that judges are now expected, in every case, to talk ab...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Does Pauline McNeill believe that a 24 per cent conviction rate in single-charge rape cases is acceptable?
Pauline McNeill Lab
No, I do not. In case the member has misunderstood my point, the Government has said throughout that it is not specifically aiming to increase conviction rat...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pauline McNeill Lab
Is there any time in hand?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes—there is a limited amount of time in hand.
Pauline McNeill Lab
I will take an intervention from Christine Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
I am not on the committee, and I do not understand section 65(1), which says: “The Scottish Ministers may, by regulations, provide that trials on indictment...
Pauline McNeill Lab
That is one of the things that the Government has responded to—it will put the specified criteria into the bill. That is what I was trying to speak to, becau...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I greatly enjoyed my time on the Justice Committee in the previous session and often find myself missing it, but I do not envy Audrey Nicoll and her colleagu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 15:54
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
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Russell Findlay Con
Does the member share the concerns that others have expressed about there being too much in one bill?
Rona Mackay SNP
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Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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