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Meeting of the Parliament 20 March 2024

20 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

What is key is that we have co-operation, partnership and funding. That is the critical issue that I want to come on to. I have welcomed the work of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, but the Finance and Public Administration Committee was pretty blunt in its comments, as we have heard. We must ensure that the proposed addition of new responsibilities is funded, otherwise it will be incredibly damaging to our councils, not to mention ineffective from an output perspective.

In its report, the Finance and Public Administration Committee said:

“The Committee is concerned that this lack of clarity concerning the funding required for local authorities to align with a new, upgraded, mandatory code of practice could render the approach unaffordable and unsustainable.”

Worryingly, as we have heard, it commented that the financial memorandum is “not adequate”. As I have said, although the minister gave us some nice warm words, we need more detail. As well as hearing about what might happen, we need to see the adoption of a much more co-ordinated approach.

Because the bill is a framework bill, it creates major concerns about a lack of effective parliamentary scrutiny, especially if the minister intends to react quickly. We need proper consultation for parliamentarians, for stakeholders and for businesses. We need targets that will be deliverable, because that is critical for the creation of a circular economy. At the moment, the focus is on recycling. More needs to be said about the potential for redesigning products so that more reuse and repair opportunities can be created in our communities. There needs to be investment to enable that to happen. That means clarity in relation to recycling.

We need an approach that reflects the different challenges across the country. Ensuring that there is accountability for separating waste and for effective recycling is important, but we need communications from the Scottish Government and local authorities.

In my area, city centre residents who live in flats or tenements and who are doing the right thing by separating their waste and trying to reuse products could still be fined if it is deemed that somebody has put the wrong waste in the wrong box and it is their fault. I welcome the fact that we have heard today from the minister that she intends to remove the penalties in the bill for individual constituents; I am glad that that approach is being taken.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12552, in the name of Lorna Slater, on the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I invite members ...
The Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity (Lorna Slater) Green
I am delighted to open the debate on the bill. I thank the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee for its stage 1 report, and the Finance and Public Admini...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
As a result of the measures, when will the 2013 household waste recycling target be met?
Lorna Slater Green
The member rightly brings attention to some of the challenges that we face with meeting historical targets in this area. That is exactly why the bill needs t...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Does the minister accept the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s concerns about where the funding will come from? Does she accept that local author...
Lorna Slater Green
I am grateful to the member for raising that very good point. I have committed to co-design with local authorities of how we move forward with implementing a...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Lorna Slater Green
I will take one more.
Douglas Lumsden Con
Has COSLA raised concerns about the funding that councils will require to implement some elements of the bill?
Lorna Slater Green
It has indeed. As I just said in response to Alex Rowley, I am absolutely aware that investment will be needed in order to do that. We are looking at other s...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. I thank two groups of people. First, I thank my committee colleagues for all...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to make a short contribution to the debate on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. As members might know, my committee col...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Maurice Golden to open on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. 15:13
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
At the outset, I note that the Scottish Conservatives support the general principles of the bill. A circular economy is an economic system whereby materials ...
Lorna Slater Green
I remind the member, although I am sure that he knows, that Glasgow City Council has recently received the largest tranche of recycling improvement fund mone...
Maurice Golden Con
My point is that Glasgow City Council has proven year on year that it does not care about driving up household recycling rates. That is its track record, and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I invite Sarah Boyack to open on behalf of Scottish Labour. 15:20
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I welcome today’s debate, because Scottish Labour strongly supports the principle of legislation on the circular economy. However, I echo the point that a lo...
Maurice Golden Con
I am very interested in the success in Wales that Sarah Boyack has described. Does she support the Welsh Government’s approach being applied to Scotland?
Sarah Boyack Lab
What is key is that we have co-operation, partnership and funding. That is the critical issue that I want to come on to. I have welcomed the work of the Net ...
Lorna Slater Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack Lab
If it is very brief.
Lorna Slater Green
I want to clarify a point to ensure that the member has not misunderstood me. The provision for fining local authorities, which is the Welsh approach, is the...
Sarah Boyack Lab
I hope that I will get some of my time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You get a bit of time back, Ms Boyack.
Sarah Boyack Lab
Thank you for that. When the minister goes into detail is when we get worried, is it not? In the way that she presented what she would change at stage 2, I ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is bringing her remarks to a close.
Sarah Boyack Lab
I need to get to the end of my speech. We cannot ignore the issue of how much waste we export from Scotland, and we know that our consumption emissions have...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must bring your remarks to a close, Ms Boyack.