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Meeting of the Parliament 28 May 2024

28 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Business Motions
Kerr, Liam Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I rise to request that, after the early finish this week, on Thursday 30 May, a statement from the Cabinet Secretary for Transport regarding the imposition of a low-emission zone in Aberdeen from 1 June be inserted. I requested such a statement at the Parliamentary Bureau, but it was refused. I lodged a request for a topical question this afternoon, but I was not selected. I lodged a request for a question on the matter at First Minister’s questions on Thursday, but I was not selected.

The amendment is very much the last resort and, indeed, the last opportunity—hence, my request to Parliament today. The issue must be aired, because from this Saturday, a large area of central Aberdeen will be designated as a low-emission zone and non-compliant vehicles entering that area will be subject to a financial penalty.

Many people have argued that the extent and design of the scheme, and the area that it covers, must be rethought, and many suggest that it will discriminate against the likes of people of lesser means, the disabled and the unemployed. Many people suggest that, in the context of bus gates that were introduced in August 2023 having reportedly reduced city-centre footfall by around 0.5 million, businesses and the already struggling Union Street will be further hammered.

Perhaps most crucial, however, is that many people suggest that the data on which Aberdeen City Council based its decisions is years out of date. It fails to recognise that Aberdeen’s air quality has been below strict European standards for years, and it fails to account for the effects of far greater emitters that will not be ameliorated or impacted at all by the LEZ.

The reason why we need a statement on the matter is that Aberdeen City Council’s co-leader suggested that the Aberdeen LEZ is a direct imposition by the Scottish National Party Government and cannot be changed now. Last week, I was called to ask a supplementary question to another member’s portfolio question, and the transport secretary offered a different view. She said that

“flexibilities can be”

made

“depending on individual circumstances”,

and that

“it will be up to council leaders in”

those particular

“areas to decide for themselves what makes sense for their cities.”—[Official Report, 23 May 2024; c 48-49.]

That seems to be, to any observer, like a clear and unequivocal contradiction of the council’s position by the cabinet secretary.

Given the significance of the issue not only to Aberdeen but to many other cities in Scotland, it is imperative that the council be helped to understand that it does have flexibility and can rethink, if the data on emissions and necessity has changed. A statement from the cabinet secretary could clarify where the misunderstandings lie, what data should be used, what variation might be appropriate under the legislation and what the Government’s expectations of the council are in considering the likes of disabled people.

With an early finish on Thursday, MSPs will be in Parliament anyway and will no doubt be eager to hear that statement. Let me be clear: it must happen this week, before the imposition of the LEZ this Saturday.

I therefore ask Parliament to agree to the insertion of a statement on the Aberdeen LEZ by the transport secretary on Thursday at 4.30.

I move amendment S6M-13389.1, to leave out from third “delete” to end and insert:

followed by Ministerial Statement: LEZ Implementation

after

5.00 pm Decision Time

insert

followed by Members’ Business”.

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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S6M-13384, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on a timetable ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S6M-13389, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on changes to t...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Liam Kerr to speak to and move amendment S6M-13389.1. You have up to five minutes. 14:05
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I rise to request that, after the early finish this week, on Thursday 30 May, a statement from the Cabinet Secretary for Transport regarding the imposition o...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Jamie Hepburn to respond on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau. You have up to five minutes. 14:09
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I thank Mr Kerr for lodging his amendment. The matter was discussed at the bureau this morning, where there was no agreement to a statement—indeed, it was no...
Liam Kerr Con
Surely the minister must concede that, given that the zone will be imposed from Saturday, we have to hear the statement now, before the measures come in. Giv...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I return to the point about the scheduling of business. Even Liam Kerr would accept that a statement this week will not change the fact of the coming of the ...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the minister take another quick intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
On the matter of footfall, the Glasgow LEZ has been in operation since June 2023, and the metrics from Glasgow Chamber of Commerce show that weekend footfall...
Liam Kerr Con
I am genuinely grateful to the minister for giving way again, and I understand the point that he is making. The point that I am very clear on is that it appe...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
The cabinet secretary cannot be held to account for the misunderstanding or otherwise of the leader of Aberdeen City Council. I do respect—
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
One last time—very briefly.
Kevin Stewart SNP
I declare an interest, as I live within the LEZ. We have a situation here in which we are seeing electioneering. Mr Kerr’s colleague, Councillor Lumsden—I a...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Just as the cabinet secretary cannot be held to account for the council leader’s comments, I certainly cannot be held to account for Mr Lumsden’s comments.
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention? He has to let me speak—I have been mentioned.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Mr Lumsden knows that I am normally very amenable, but I think that I have just a minute and 15 seconds left. To continue with the point that I was making, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment S6M-13389.1, in the name of Liam Kerr, which seeks to amend motion S6M-13389, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system. 14:14 Meeting suspended. 14:20 On resuming—
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the vote on amendment S6M-13389.1, in the name of Liam Kerr. Members should cast their votes now.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer—
The Presiding Officer NPA
Colleagues should bear with us for a moment. I am going to rerun the vote. Members should cast their votes now. The vote is closed.
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I apologise; I could not connect to the app. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Gray. We will ensure that that is recorded. For Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con) Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con) Burnett, Alexander (Aberdeens...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 29, Against 62, Abstentions 18. Amendment disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The next question is, that motion S6M-13389, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on changes to the business programme, be ag...