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Meeting of the Parliament 15 May 2024

15 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Teaching
Gilruth, Jenny SNP Mid Fife and Glenrothes Watch on SPTV

Yes, I am deeply concerned about that point. All of us in the chamber have a responsibility to ensure that we have more people coming into the teaching profession and to talk positively about the difference that they can make in our schools.

I will come on to talk in a moment about some of the ways in which we are supporting that, but I first want to touch on some of the challenges in our schools just now and why the Government has decided to ring fence an additional £145.5 million in this year’s budget specifically to protect teacher numbers.

This year, we have changed the approach to funding due to some of the challenge that is highlighted in today’s Labour motion. Where we have seen slight dips in recent years, the Government has always maintained a position that we seek to claw back the funding if it is not used for the purpose of maintaining teacher numbers. That is not a position that I wish to be in as education secretary, so, as a result, I chose not to recoup funding that was provided to Scotland’s councils this year. I should say that the vast majority of Scotland’s schools have maintained or increased their teacher numbers, and to them I say thank you. That additional funding is also helping to protect record numbers of learning support assistants in Scotland’s schools, which we know is important, given the increase in the number of children with additional support needs.

I agree with Pam Duncan-Glancy, however, that there are challenges to address in relation to teacher recruitment and retention, particularly in certain geographical areas but also in certain subjects. The Government is taking a number of actions to tackle those issues. For example, the preference waiver scheme, which members will be aware of, allows probationary teachers to receive up to £8,000 on top of their probationer salary. That means a salary of more than £40,000 for the first year in teaching, funded by the Scottish Government, for those who choose to complete their probationary year anywhere in Scotland. Indeed, Scotland’s teachers remain the best paid in the UK by a considerable way.

We are also investing in our teaching bursary scheme, providing bursaries of up to £20,000 for career changers who wish to undertake a one-year postgraduate degree in education in hard-to-fill STEM—science, technology, engineering and mathematics—subjects. Of course, the policy of free tuition means that, in Scotland, our trainee teachers do not pay tuition fees, saving students up to £27,750 each for their studies. They are also funded by the Scottish Government in relation to their first full year of probation.

I am, however, keen to work with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities to develop a new education assurance board, recognising that it is local authorities and not the Scottish Government that directly employ our teachers. That has to be underpinned by the values of the Verity house agreement, so that we can collectively consider the issues in more detail.

I am conscious of the different recruitment needs across the country. There are rurality challenges for Highland Council or in Aberdeenshire, for example, and there are other challenges for Glasgow City Council, which the motion mentions.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13196, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, on standing up for teaching. I invite members who wish to partic...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to bring the debate to the chamber, because, as I have said before, education is a great leveller when it is done well. When teachers are suppor...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I welcome this afternoon’s debate during Labour Party business. As the First Minister set out last week, we are in new, although not uncharted, territory as ...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary agree that it is strange that members of the teaching profession are expected to buy so much stuff for their classrooms to ensure ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I thank Martin Whitfield for his intervention. I do not think that the issues that he is raising are particularly new or nuanced. That has happened over the ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention on that point?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to do so, although I am conscious of the time.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Is the cabinet secretary therefore concerned that the Government is missing many of its targets to recruit teachers in particularly important secondary schoo...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Yes, I am deeply concerned about that point. All of us in the chamber have a responsibility to ensure that we have more people coming into the teaching profe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am conscious of the time, and there is much more that I would like to say. However, I have an ask of the Opposition today. Minority Government gives Opposi...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
We will vote for the Labour motion because, in a Scotland-wide context in which teacher numbers are down by more than 1,000 since the SNP came to power and t...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The Greens will be supporting the Labour motion. I was very proud that, three years ago, when we entered Government, we came to an agreement with our SNP col...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Just imagine what the world would have been like if Ross Greer had been in government for the past three years. Conditions in schools are really challenging...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Willie Rennie LD
Will those people face the dole queue as a result of that failure to plan adequately? I would like to hear from the cabinet secretary how on earth she will r...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Last year, I joined members of the Educational Institute of Scotland and Unison on picket lines in their campaign for fair pay. Not a single person wanted to...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I was in the classroom.
Colin Smyth Lab
The cabinet secretary was not personally in the Government, but I am sure that she voted for the Government. The Government needs to start listening and del...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
I thank my committee colleague Pam Duncan-Glancy for bringing forward today’s debate. Her genuine commitment to our education system has always been clear. A...
Liam Kerr Con
I am listening to all the things that the member is trotting out. However, the Education, Children and Young People Committee published a report this morning...
Bill Kidd SNP
Like the cabinet secretary, I am all ears. Unfortunately, in my case, that is a physical characteristic. Anyway, I am carrying on saying what I am saying. W...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Over the past few months, my inbox has been inundated with emails from constituents who are concerned about the future of education in Glasgow under this Gov...
The Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
On a point of fact, the Scottish Government has funded in full the developing the young workforce arrangements for Glasgow on the same basis as the rest of t...
Paul Sweeney Lab
I am afraid that that is not the position that the GMB trade union has taken. I went to a meeting with young representatives of educational establishments in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The final speaker in the open debate will be Ben Macpherson. 15:43
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Colleagues will appreciate that, as I am an Edinburgh MSP, I will not comment specifically on the situation in Glasgow. I have heard the concerns that colle...
Sue Webber Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Ben Macpherson SNP
I will take a brief one.