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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 07 May 2024

07 May 2024 · S6 · Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Item of business
Food Standards Scotland
Heather Kelman (Food Standards Scotland) Watch on SPTV
Good morning, convener, and members of the committee. I know some of you quite well, but I recognise that the committee membership has been refreshed since our attendance in January last year, so I will take a couple of minutes to introduce us and the work of FSS. In addition to Geoff Ogle and me, and recognising that the committee is very interested in diet and health, we are joined by our chief nutritionist and head of our public health nutrition department, Gillian Purdon, who some of you might already know. Food Standards Scotland was established in April 2015, under the Food (Scotland) Act 2015, as the new public sector food body for Scotland. We are a non-ministerial office of the Scottish Administration, independent from Scottish Government ministers and from industry, and accountable to the Scottish Parliament. Our three key objectives are: to protect the public from risks to health, which may arise in connection with the consumption of food; to improve the extent to which members of the public have diets that are conducive to good health; and to protect the other interests of consumers in relation to food. FSS is Scotland’s independent public sector food body, and we collaborate closely with the Scottish Government, Public Health Scotland, the Food Standards Agency, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, the UK Health Security Agency and food businesses in Scotland to represent Scotland’s interests in food-related issues at home, at UK level and abroad. Our purpose is public health protection. We have an annual budget of £22.7 million which, apart from an injection of £7 million to deal with the consequences of leaving the European Union, has remained unchanged from our original allocation in 2015 of £15.7 million. Seventy-six per cent of our budget relates directly to staff costs. We employ around 290 staff, which is a decrease of approximately 26 staff since our report last year. Approximately half of our staff work in operational settings, such as abattoirs, where they give direct oversight to food production and ensure that food and animal feed are safe and compliant with food legislation. Our other staff work to develop—and help others develop—policies on food and animal feed. They advise the Scottish Government, other authorities and the public on food, feed and public health nutrition; they provide guidance to the Scottish public and users of animal feed to help them make informed decisions about food and feedstuffs; they investigate and disrupt criminal activity in the food supply chain; and they monitor the performance of food enforcement authorities. Our annual report and accounts were laid before Parliament last November and summarised our performance for 2022-23. It was a period of challenge, in which we continued to address the knock-on effects of the UK’s exit from the EU and to reset our priorities, as inflation, increasing demand and a fixed budget made it essential for us to focus on the key areas of work for FSS. I commend the involvement of our staff in developing clarity and a vision of the way forward for the organisation. That work will continue, as we recognise the need for the public sector to be as efficient as possible and to seek further opportunities to modernise and make best use of emerging technology. Last year, we also published our second joint report on food standards, “Our Food 2022”, in conjunction with the Food Standards Agency. I am pleased to inform the committee that the third report will be available next month. It is a data and evidence-based annual status report, which tracks the safety and standards of food in the UK and aims to ensure that consumers and parliamentarians remain sighted on the main changes and threats to our food system. Since we last met, the FSS board has approved a new public health nutrition strategy, which is designed to deliver our statutory duty to improve the extent to which the public have diets that are conducive to good health in Scotland. We have engaged with a wide range of stakeholders to develop the strategy and encourage collaboration and a drive towards improved nutritional health in Scotland. As part of our work to protect consumers from food safety risks, we also created a new online allergen training tool to support food businesses and give their staff a better understanding of food hypersensitivities. We delivered a number of risk assessments on various food products, on issues such as listeria in smoked fish and blue cheese, and updated our advice to the public on safe consumption of those foods. In response to a request from the minister for advice on the diet-associated recommendations from the Climate Change Committee, FSS commissioned research from the University of Edinburgh. That research has been widely acclaimed, and I believe that we might discuss it a little further during today’s session. Other consumer-facing campaigns included: the promotion of the risks of campylobacter to vulnerable groups; the campaign to promote the consumption of vitamin D supplements; and a farm incident prevention campaign, to protect livestock from the deadly consequences of lead poisoning. The year ahead presents both challenges and opportunities for FSS. The shortage of vets across the nation continues to challenge us. We are working closely with all relevant bodies to find longer-term solutions, but the short-term measures to fill the gap are not only financially costly; more importantly, they cause stress for our existing staff. The capacity and resilience of the food law enforcement regime remains compromised. Local authorities continue to have difficulty filling vacancies. An increasing workload, when councils have significant budget challenges, has placed local authority environment health teams in a precarious position. The need to modernise our food law enforcement system continues to be a priority, and we have been working hard to find a source of funding to finance a transformation in food law enforcement. In the meantime, to minimise the risks, we remain in close contact with our local authority partners. I think that I have said enough by way of an introduction, and do not wish to take up any more of the committee’s time. I look forward to our discussion this morning.

In the same item of business

The Convener SNP
The third item on our agenda is an evidence session with Food Standards Scotland. I welcome to the committee Heather Kelman, chair; Geoff Ogle, chief executi...
Heather Kelman (Food Standards Scotland)
Good morning, convener, and members of the committee. I know some of you quite well, but I recognise that the committee membership has been refreshed since o...
The Convener SNP
Thank you, Ms Kelman. We move straight to questions.
Emma Harper SNP
Good morning to the witnesses. From what you have just described, Food Standards Scotland’s remit is pretty huge and broad-ranging, and I am really intereste...
Geoff Ogle (Food Standards Scotland)
That is an interesting and complicated subject. To be clear, we focused on risk assessment and were asked by ministers to look at the dietary implications of...
Dr Gillian Purdon (Food Standards Scotland)
I can talk about the existing recommendations. As Geoff Ogle said, Scotland has a set of dietary goals, one of which is about red meat and processed red meat...
Emma Harper SNP
There are alternatives to meat. I looked up what 70g means. A plate of spaghetti bolognese has about 100g of meat; a quarter pounder beef burger has 90g. I w...
Dr Purdon
As has been mentioned, we provide advice through the “Eatwell Guide”. We have a model diet for a week, and the amount of meat in that is well below 70g a day...
Heather Kelman
I will add a little to that. On our website, we have a tool called “Eat Well, Your Way”, which gives advice to individual consumers on how to nudge their die...
The Convener SNP
I point out to our witnesses that they do not need to do anything to make the microphones work—broadcasting staff do that.
Emma Harper SNP
I am conscious that there is loads to cover, but I want to focus on ultra-processed foods. Henry Dimbleby and Jemima Lewis were co-authors of a book called ...
Heather Kelman
Gillian, do you want to take that to start with, or will I?
Dr Purdon
Go on, Geoff.
Geoff Ogle
There is a lot of debate and discussion about ultra-processed foods at the moment, and the board discussed the issue in March. It is a nuanced and complicate...
Dr Purdon
The classification of ultra-processed food comes from the Nova classification, in which there are four different groups. The first group is unprocessed—your ...
Gillian Mackay Green
I think that Emma has covered most of what I was going to ask. Given the sort of issues that we have just covered around nutrients and reducing recommended a...
Heather Kelman
One of the things that Food Standards Scotland has become very aware of is that we must understand the targeting of messages. Our corporate communications de...
Geoff Ogle
We have also looked at the design of our website. We have done quite a lot of research on how it is currently structured and what changes we can make to it—p...
Dr Purdon
Particularly when it comes to diet, there is a big say-do gap. For example, although a lot of people know the message around five a day—the number of portion...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I declare an interest, in that I am a practising NHS GP. I am a bit disappointed to hear that the issue of a reduction in red meat is due to the climate repo...
Heather Kelman
We have not looked specifically at Greggs. We have raised concerns about the proximity of high fat, salt and sugar food outlets close to schools, and the nee...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I will come back to schools. I do not particularly want to start banning things, but let us look at a meal deal from a supermarket. You get a sandwich, a dri...
Dr Purdon
I am happy to come in on that. At the moment, the Scottish Government is consulting on restricting promotions of foods high in fat, salt and sugar. The consu...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
On that point, the supermarket knows everything about me through all my cards. I do not know, but they might even track the way that I walk through the super...
Dr Purdon
Yes, that is a good point. The legislation is looking at restricting putting unhealthy foods in position points such as checkouts, the ends of aisles and oth...
Geoff Ogle
I would just add that there is a broader question around the food environment. You are absolutely right about the placing of product; there is no doubt that ...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Certainly, a lot of people who speak to me say that Irn Bru has been ruined by reformulation. Laughter. This is a big topic and it is not fair to give you j...
Dr Purdon
Recently, the scientific advisory committee on nutrition has put out new recommendations for one to five-year-olds, and we are currently working on that with...
Emma Harper SNP
I have a wee supplementary question. One of the questions in the Scottish Government’s consultation was about restricting the sale of foods with high levels ...
Dr Purdon
As far as I am aware—yes—we can absolutely support that.