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Meeting of the Parliament 09 May 2024

09 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Grant, Rhoda Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I, too, put on record my recognition of Christine Grahame’s work on the welfare of dogs and on the illegal puppy trade. She has done a lot of work in the Parliament on the issue, and I pay tribute to it.

It is difficult to disagree with the bill’s general principles, given that they are about improving animal welfare and ensuring responsible pet ownership. We have all seen a rise in the ownership of dogs during Covid. At that time, people were at home and able to look after their pets, but those who did not give the matter sufficient thought are now struggling to keep those pets well looked after as they return to the office. Indeed, rehoming charities have been talking about the number of abandoned dogs that they have.

We have also heard about the growth in illegal puppy farms to meet the demand for puppies, and we need to challenge that, too. However, as this is a member’s bill, it is naturally restricted in what it can do. I believe that, if the Government were to take up the challenge, there would be scope to go further than the bill does in order to deal with illegal puppy farms. The bill cannot do it—as I have said, a member’s bill is very restricted—so it might be good if the Scottish Government could look at amendments in that respect.

As we have heard, the Scottish Government has more difficulty with part 2 of the bill. There are indeed difficulties with that part, but it is really important—if we can get it right—because it provides for a register of unlicensed litters. Often, people who are not breeders allow their pets to have puppies; currently, though, there are no protections for those puppies. Breeders have to be licensed and follow standards, but people are able to breed dogs without their being licensed breeders, and that creates a loophole for those illegal breeders who hide under the radar to do these things.

We have heard of these people, for example, portraying holiday rentals as their own homes where they will take the puppies, often with a dog that is not the mother of the litter. They do not care anything for animal welfare. We often hear about people buying a puppy and then discovering that they have huge vet bills to deal with, and that the puppy that they had paid a lot of money for was unwell and would perhaps not survive.

I therefore totally understand why Christine Grahame is seeking to have all litters registered—she is trying to close that loophole—but I also understand that that might be challenging. The committee was told by Battersea Dogs and Cats Home that, although the microchipping of dogs is now a legal requirement, only about 20 per cent of the dogs that they take in are chipped. Therefore, enforcement is an issue that we need to deal with at present, never mind the introduction of a new register.

Because of the general data protection regulation legislation, there are also concerns about the public accessibility of the detail in the register and about people being able to look at it to see whether their puppy was indeed registered.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
We resume business. However, I will just say that this is follow-on business, so it is more than a bit disappointing that so many members were absent at the ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. As one of the culprits, I apologise. I welcome today’s debate and the progress that it represents. To members who ca...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
The member makes a very good case as to why new legislation is necessary. My understanding is that her bill would include a code. Could she say why she feels...
Christine Grahame SNP
Heaven forfend Dr Allan would offend me. I will come to that point. The evidence that was provided to the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee reflects the v...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a little bit of extra time, Ms Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
Thank you very much. Part 2 seeks to establish a register of unlicensed litters, and I remain passionately committed to the policy behind that proposal. At ...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, reflecting on our stage 1 inquiry and report on Christine Grahame’s member’s bill...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Excuse my ignorance on the matter, but there is a significant involvement of organised crime in dog breeding in Scotland and I wonder whether, during its inq...
Finlay Carson Con
We do not have any specifics about that, but everyone on the committee certainly understood that organised crime, gangs and so on could play a big part in th...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
I am someone who has had dogs in his life from the age of eight, when I got my first Labrador pup, called Pepper, until very recently—a period of just shy of...
Finlay Carson Con
I welcome Christine Grahame’s bill. The committee heard Gillian Martin, who was the minister at the time, say that she agreed with almost everything that Chr...
Jim Fairlie SNP
I cannot say why something has not been done in the past, but I can say that the Government takes the commitment seriously and that the code that Christine G...
Christine Grahame SNP
I have considered that. Like the minister, I appreciate that there are good people—such as farmers, the police and the owners of guide dogs for the blind—who...
Jim Fairlie SNP
The Scottish Government also agrees with the attention to detail in ensuring that sections of the bill are consistent with the Animal Welfare (Licensing of A...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Christine Grahame on introducing the Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill and on her concerted efforts during my time in Parliament to improve anim...
Christine Grahame SNP
I would resist being more breed specific, because that would start to clutter up the rather simple questions with regard to the breed. If someone considers t...
Maurice Golden Con
I think that that makes a lot of sense. It has been suggested that there could be type-specific information, too, but we could very quickly start to go down ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I, too, put on record my recognition of Christine Grahame’s work on the welfare of dogs and on the illegal puppy trade. She has done a lot of work in the Par...
Christine Grahame SNP
I will go into more detail when I sum up, but the UK has come quite a distance on this. It has been suggested that, if there is a portal for all the individu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Ms Grant, I can give you time back for the intervention.
Rhoda Grant Lab
I am grateful for that intervention, as it highlights that the many companies that deal with microchip registers could come together and make them available ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I think that five companies provide microchips across the United Kingdom. The problem is not so much collating the information from those microchips but the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Again, I can give you the time back, Ms Grant.
Rhoda Grant Lab
Yes, it does need more thought. That is not a criticism of Christine Grahame, because there is a limit to what any back-bench member of the Parliament can in...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Earlier this year, I was horrified to find out about a case of illegal and cruel puppy farming in Inverness, in my region. A couple had rented out their cott...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I remind members that those who are participating in the debate need to be in the chamber for both the opening and the closing speeches. We move to the open...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
I thank Christine Grahame for her work so far on the bill, which addresses issues that I know are very close to her heart. I also thank the committee for its...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I add my congratulations to Christine Grahame on introducing the bill. I also congratulate her on resisting the temptation to burst into song during her spee...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As recently as February this year, 24 cockapoo and cavapoo puppies were discovered in a dire situation. They were confined in cardboard boxes under a lorry c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Speak through the chair, please.