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Meeting of the Parliament 08 May 2024

08 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Colleges (Support)

I have always been impressed by the work that is being done in our colleges. Those institutions are critical to the economic and social wellbeing of our country—for the development of a skilled workforce that is able to respond to new requirements and new opportunities in industries; for opportunities for people of all abilities to develop skills for life; and for successfully widening access to opportunities, including higher education.

As James Withers said,

“Scotland has all the ingredients of a world class education and skills system. And no ingredient is more important than our colleges ... It has never been more important to unlock the full potential of all our people.”

One third of our college students come from Scotland’s most deprived communities, which, put simply, means that colleges deliver education and skills development to parts of Scotland that other institutions just do not reach—that sounds like an advert. Their role as a catalyst for economic development is underplayed, too.

The SNP’s chronic underfunding of Scotland’s colleges has forced them into a precarious financial position, which impacts their ability to support learners and grow the economy.

Earlier this year, colleges, businesses and trade unions joined together to call on the Scottish Government to reinstate a vital training fund before it was deleted from the 2024-25 budget. The flexible workforce development fund has previously provided businesses with access to training and upskilling for staff, delivered through colleges and other partners. We heard in February that, if the £10 million fund is not reinstated, potentially more than 2,000 employers and 45,450 learners will miss out on training opportunities—what a tragedy.

I want to raise an issue about modern apprenticeships as a whole. Based on the SSVQ’s calculations, those people who are studying for a modern apprenticeship qualification in Scotland receive considerably less funding per head than those who do so in England. A barbering apprentice receives only £2,700, compared to £9,000 south of the border; a hospitality apprentice receives only half of what their counterpart in England receives. I understand that budgets are tight, but I hope that the minister can reiterate in his closing remarks why such a disparity in funding exists. Where on earth is Scotland’s apprenticeship levy money going?

The Education, Children and Young People Committee’s report on college regionalisation noted concern over a lack of overarching strategic direction from the Scottish Government. The report states:

“The Committee is concerned that colleges are currently making decisions to respond to the challenging financial climate without clear overarching strategic direction from the Scottish Government as to their purpose and what they must prioritise ... As such, colleges are being asked to take decisions for the future, uncertain as to whether those decisions will be compatible with the Scottish Government’s vision.”

There were many other recommendations in the report, and I am very aware that the minister is aware of those recommendations, given that he was a member of the committee and helped to draft them, and given that the report was agreed unanimously.

Although I recognise the financial constraints that the Scottish Government is working within, the Scottish Government and the Scottish Funding Council must acknowledge the significant needs of the college sector and urgently take action to ensure that more capital investment can be levered into the sector.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13091, in the name of Liam Kerr, on supporting Scotland’s colleges. 16:26
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Scotland’s colleges are the linchpin on which the future of Scotland depends. That is perhaps a bold statement, but it is backed up by a Fraser of Allander I...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam Kerr Con
If I have time, I will. Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
We have no extra time.
Liam Kerr Con
If we have no extra time, I will, regrettably, not take Michelle Thomson’s intervention. Four years ago, the SFC said that because of “tensions in governan...
Michelle Thomson SNP
Oh, I am sorry—I did not see that the member was allowing me to intervene. I greatly appreciate it. I was merely going to make the point that I, too, am gre...
Liam Kerr Con
I think that we need to stay on the point, in particular when time is constrained. The fact is that colleges and their talented students and staff are crucia...
The Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
The First Minister has been clear that the Government that he leads will be committed to attempting to engage constructively with other parties in the chambe...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
Apologies. I am not going to, because I have only five minutes. I want to focus on the substance of the issue for colleges: the challenges and opportunities...
Liam Kerr Con
I am afraid that the minister is rather missing the point. I specifically did not talk about funding; I talked about all the reports giving alternative solut...
Graeme Dey SNP
The point, as Liam Kerr well knows, is that we are bringing to a head a lot of the outcomes and suggestions from the reports. I will try to cover that in thi...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Just yesterday, we had the opportunity to debate colleges in Scotland, and I am pleased that we have the same chance to do so again today. In my role I have ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Last night, Pam Duncan-Glancy’s colleague Richard Leonard made the interesting suggestion that the money that is currently being allocated by enterprise agen...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the member for that intervention and note that he voted for the budget that has delivered savage cuts to colleges across Scotland, so I will take no ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You must conclude, Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I would envy the position of the minister, because I would relish the opportunity to serve in government and make the changes that need to happen. Scottish L...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will start with an admission that much of what I am about to say is exactly the same as what I said last night, when we covered similar issues. The Scotti...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Ross Greer Green
I am afraid that I have only four minutes, so I will not be able to.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will Ross Greer give way?
Ross Greer Green
I will, given that Ms Duncan-Glancy took an intervention from me.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Ross Greer mentioned fair work and ending zero-hours contracts, so does he support Labour’s new deal for working people?
Ross Greer Green
I do not know whether Ms Duncan-Glancy has seen the news today, but her party has just watered down its new deal for working people, to the point that Unite ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
If only Ross Greer and his party had been in government for the past two and a half years, we might have seen a bit of a difference. The Government’s policy...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:51
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have always been impressed by the work that is being done in our colleges. Those institutions are critical to the economic and social wellbeing of our coun...
Graeme Dey SNP
If I can contradict what I said at the start of my contribution, I ask where, if the member wants more money for the flexible workforce development fund and ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please conclude, Ms Webber.