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Meeting of the Parliament 08 May 2024

08 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Colleges (Support)

If only Ross Greer and his party had been in government for the past two and a half years, we might have seen a bit of a difference.

The Government’s policy on colleges has lacked coherence for some time. Let me provide a few examples. It created national pay bargaining and raised expectations of pay rises but failed to provide the funds for colleges to deliver that. In adopting a policy of no compulsory redundancies, it hinted that that policy applied to colleges, before excluding them from it. It proclaimed that colleges were a characteristically Scottish route to a degree, but it has cut their funds over the past 17 years. It has talked about skilling and reskilling, but it has cut student places. When Government funds were in short supply, it merged colleges and brought them closer to Government, while limiting their freedom to raise funds themselves.

The minister is trying his best to change that through his work on skills and apprenticeships, but he must recognise the weaknesses of the legacy that he has been handed. Colleges can be responsible for greater social mobility, for improving life chances, for economic growth and for meeting the skills needs of our transformed economy, but for that to be a success, there needs to be a change of Government priorities.

For the record, my party has repeatedly included colleges in our costed budget proposals, but those proposals have been rejected by successive finance secretaries. In that context, it would have been helpful if Ross Greer had used his previous influence in the Government to halt the £26 million cut to colleges instead of pretending today that the college cut had nothing to do with him and the Greens.

Although, technically, ministers have no direct role in pay negotiations, the intervention of the education secretary in the teachers’ pay dispute, which resulted in a cut to the colleges budget to pay for a pay rise for teachers, rubbed salt in the wound for college staff. The minister therefore has a duty to seek a resolution to the industrial disputes that have bedevilled the sector for a decade.

It is not all about money and industrial relations, however. I want to see the college school partnership grow to spread the use of qualifications such as foundation apprenticeships. I want to see greater skills and education intelligence so that we can meet the needs of employers today and future skills needs, and flexibility to meet that intelligence with support from qualification bodies, with co-ordination between colleges to ensure that specialist provision is maintained.

In my last minute, I want to raise concerns about changes at Scotland’s Rural College’s Elmwood campus in Cupar, in my constituency. Although most animal care courses have been saved from closure and the SRUC leadership tell me that they are committed to a future for Elmwood, I am concerned about the slow progress towards the new facilities that are planned to accommodate the provision. I have relayed my concerns to the principal, but it would be helpful if the minister could intervene too. I hope that he will be willing to do so and to perhaps comment on that point in his summing up. I want a thriving Elmwood campus as do staff, students and the wider community, and we have a lot of work to do to ensure that that happens.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13091, in the name of Liam Kerr, on supporting Scotland’s colleges. 16:26
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Scotland’s colleges are the linchpin on which the future of Scotland depends. That is perhaps a bold statement, but it is backed up by a Fraser of Allander I...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam Kerr Con
If I have time, I will. Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
We have no extra time.
Liam Kerr Con
If we have no extra time, I will, regrettably, not take Michelle Thomson’s intervention. Four years ago, the SFC said that because of “tensions in governan...
Michelle Thomson SNP
Oh, I am sorry—I did not see that the member was allowing me to intervene. I greatly appreciate it. I was merely going to make the point that I, too, am gre...
Liam Kerr Con
I think that we need to stay on the point, in particular when time is constrained. The fact is that colleges and their talented students and staff are crucia...
The Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
The First Minister has been clear that the Government that he leads will be committed to attempting to engage constructively with other parties in the chambe...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
Apologies. I am not going to, because I have only five minutes. I want to focus on the substance of the issue for colleges: the challenges and opportunities...
Liam Kerr Con
I am afraid that the minister is rather missing the point. I specifically did not talk about funding; I talked about all the reports giving alternative solut...
Graeme Dey SNP
The point, as Liam Kerr well knows, is that we are bringing to a head a lot of the outcomes and suggestions from the reports. I will try to cover that in thi...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Just yesterday, we had the opportunity to debate colleges in Scotland, and I am pleased that we have the same chance to do so again today. In my role I have ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Last night, Pam Duncan-Glancy’s colleague Richard Leonard made the interesting suggestion that the money that is currently being allocated by enterprise agen...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the member for that intervention and note that he voted for the budget that has delivered savage cuts to colleges across Scotland, so I will take no ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You must conclude, Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I would envy the position of the minister, because I would relish the opportunity to serve in government and make the changes that need to happen. Scottish L...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will start with an admission that much of what I am about to say is exactly the same as what I said last night, when we covered similar issues. The Scotti...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Ross Greer Green
I am afraid that I have only four minutes, so I will not be able to.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will Ross Greer give way?
Ross Greer Green
I will, given that Ms Duncan-Glancy took an intervention from me.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Ross Greer mentioned fair work and ending zero-hours contracts, so does he support Labour’s new deal for working people?
Ross Greer Green
I do not know whether Ms Duncan-Glancy has seen the news today, but her party has just watered down its new deal for working people, to the point that Unite ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
If only Ross Greer and his party had been in government for the past two and a half years, we might have seen a bit of a difference. The Government’s policy...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:51
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have always been impressed by the work that is being done in our colleges. Those institutions are critical to the economic and social wellbeing of our coun...
Graeme Dey SNP
If I can contradict what I said at the start of my contribution, I ask where, if the member wants more money for the flexible workforce development fund and ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please conclude, Ms Webber.