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Meeting of the Parliament 08 May 2024

08 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Colleges (Support)
Greer, Ross Green West Scotland Watch on SPTV

I will start with an admission that much of what I am about to say is exactly the same as what I said last night, when we covered similar issues.

The Scottish Greens and I believe that colleges have a critical role to play in building a fairer, greener Scotland and in delivering on the key missions on which we all agree, whether that is the climate action that is required to hit net zero or tackling child poverty. Education is a social and individual good. It can be genuinely transformational, but we should not pretend that a good education will remove all the structural inequalities that people face in society. It is a key ingredient to a successful society, but by success, I am not just talking about gross domestic product or even average incomes, although the latter are clearly important. A successful society is one in which we are collectively able to meet everybody’s needs and to give every individual the opportunity of a happy, healthy life.

The ability of our colleges to play their role in that has been hugely held back by a decade of chronic problems in industrial relations, in particular. It is an example of class inequality in this country that those problems have gone on for so long with so little attention, whether from political figures or the media, compared with far less frequent industrial action in schools or in the university sector.

What would the Scottish Greens do differently? For a start, I will not join in with the hypocrisy of those members who voted against raising more money for public services via progressive taxation or who did not propose any other alternative savings options but are somehow demanding more money. We have just seen an example of one Labour member making a proposal to reallocate money and that being slapped down by the Labour front bench.

There are other options that we can take. For a start, on fair work conditionality, the Scottish Funding Council should absolutely make it a condition that, for colleges to receive funding, they should eliminate zero-hours contracts and implement pay ratios and other fair work conditions. That would demonstrate to the lowest-paid staff in particular that they were valued.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13091, in the name of Liam Kerr, on supporting Scotland’s colleges. 16:26
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Scotland’s colleges are the linchpin on which the future of Scotland depends. That is perhaps a bold statement, but it is backed up by a Fraser of Allander I...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam Kerr Con
If I have time, I will. Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
We have no extra time.
Liam Kerr Con
If we have no extra time, I will, regrettably, not take Michelle Thomson’s intervention. Four years ago, the SFC said that because of “tensions in governan...
Michelle Thomson SNP
Oh, I am sorry—I did not see that the member was allowing me to intervene. I greatly appreciate it. I was merely going to make the point that I, too, am gre...
Liam Kerr Con
I think that we need to stay on the point, in particular when time is constrained. The fact is that colleges and their talented students and staff are crucia...
The Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
The First Minister has been clear that the Government that he leads will be committed to attempting to engage constructively with other parties in the chambe...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
Apologies. I am not going to, because I have only five minutes. I want to focus on the substance of the issue for colleges: the challenges and opportunities...
Liam Kerr Con
I am afraid that the minister is rather missing the point. I specifically did not talk about funding; I talked about all the reports giving alternative solut...
Graeme Dey SNP
The point, as Liam Kerr well knows, is that we are bringing to a head a lot of the outcomes and suggestions from the reports. I will try to cover that in thi...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Just yesterday, we had the opportunity to debate colleges in Scotland, and I am pleased that we have the same chance to do so again today. In my role I have ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Last night, Pam Duncan-Glancy’s colleague Richard Leonard made the interesting suggestion that the money that is currently being allocated by enterprise agen...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the member for that intervention and note that he voted for the budget that has delivered savage cuts to colleges across Scotland, so I will take no ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You must conclude, Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I would envy the position of the minister, because I would relish the opportunity to serve in government and make the changes that need to happen. Scottish L...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will start with an admission that much of what I am about to say is exactly the same as what I said last night, when we covered similar issues. The Scotti...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Ross Greer Green
I am afraid that I have only four minutes, so I will not be able to.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will Ross Greer give way?
Ross Greer Green
I will, given that Ms Duncan-Glancy took an intervention from me.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Ross Greer mentioned fair work and ending zero-hours contracts, so does he support Labour’s new deal for working people?
Ross Greer Green
I do not know whether Ms Duncan-Glancy has seen the news today, but her party has just watered down its new deal for working people, to the point that Unite ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
If only Ross Greer and his party had been in government for the past two and a half years, we might have seen a bit of a difference. The Government’s policy...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:51
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have always been impressed by the work that is being done in our colleges. Those institutions are critical to the economic and social wellbeing of our coun...
Graeme Dey SNP
If I can contradict what I said at the start of my contribution, I ask where, if the member wants more money for the flexible workforce development fund and ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please conclude, Ms Webber.