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Meeting of the Parliament 08 May 2024

08 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Colleges (Support)

Just yesterday, we had the opportunity to debate colleges in Scotland, and I am pleased that we have the same chance to do so again today. In my role I have had the privilege of meeting college staff and principals who are going above and beyond for their college. I have heard lecturers and support staff up and down the country share with passion stories about the subjects they teach and the students they empower. I have heard about the ways in which colleges serve their communities and build our workforce of the future.

Incredible college staff and talented students work day in, day out, to do all that, but they are doing so in the face of a Government that has, for 17 years and several education secretaries—including John Swinney—let them down.

Members will have read the recent articles in The Herald that show just how bad it is, and I would like to take a moment to put on the record my thanks to The Herald and James McEnaney and his team for shining a light on it. The reports highlight what trade unions, staff, colleges and students have been warning for years: Scotland’s colleges face an eye-watering funding shortfall and the funding gap has real-life consequences, not least of which is the drop of more than 125,000 students attending college since 2008-09.

Let us remind ourselves who those students are. More than 40 per cent are over 25, a third come from the most deprived areas, 15 per cent are disabled, 17,000 are black and minority ethnic and 3,000 are care experienced. Colleges lift the glass, class and step ceilings that are in the way of opportunity, and we should support them, but they can do that only with the support of their Government.

Colleges cannot afford another day of inaction from the Government or lack of leadership from the minister. The situation has been called a burning platform. Audit Scotland has warned that colleges cannot deliver the same for less and Colleges Scotland has said that colleges have impossible choices ahead.

Here is what some of those impossible choices look like in reality. Staff in one college are saying that books are being taken out of the library and that student support, careers advisers and personal academic tutors are being cut. Courses are being cut in another college where senior-phase pupils go to study advanced highers in areas that we need people to be skilled in. There are campuses that are facing closure and students with fewer options.

Across Scotland, jobs are under threat. College Employers Scotland is saying that its members do not have the resource to negotiate the existing pay offer and industrial relations are hanging by a thread. Most worrying of all, the Public Audit Committee was told that four Scottish colleges might not survive the year.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13091, in the name of Liam Kerr, on supporting Scotland’s colleges. 16:26
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Scotland’s colleges are the linchpin on which the future of Scotland depends. That is perhaps a bold statement, but it is backed up by a Fraser of Allander I...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam Kerr Con
If I have time, I will. Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
We have no extra time.
Liam Kerr Con
If we have no extra time, I will, regrettably, not take Michelle Thomson’s intervention. Four years ago, the SFC said that because of “tensions in governan...
Michelle Thomson SNP
Oh, I am sorry—I did not see that the member was allowing me to intervene. I greatly appreciate it. I was merely going to make the point that I, too, am gre...
Liam Kerr Con
I think that we need to stay on the point, in particular when time is constrained. The fact is that colleges and their talented students and staff are crucia...
The Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
The First Minister has been clear that the Government that he leads will be committed to attempting to engage constructively with other parties in the chambe...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Graeme Dey SNP
Apologies. I am not going to, because I have only five minutes. I want to focus on the substance of the issue for colleges: the challenges and opportunities...
Liam Kerr Con
I am afraid that the minister is rather missing the point. I specifically did not talk about funding; I talked about all the reports giving alternative solut...
Graeme Dey SNP
The point, as Liam Kerr well knows, is that we are bringing to a head a lot of the outcomes and suggestions from the reports. I will try to cover that in thi...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Just yesterday, we had the opportunity to debate colleges in Scotland, and I am pleased that we have the same chance to do so again today. In my role I have ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Last night, Pam Duncan-Glancy’s colleague Richard Leonard made the interesting suggestion that the money that is currently being allocated by enterprise agen...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the member for that intervention and note that he voted for the budget that has delivered savage cuts to colleges across Scotland, so I will take no ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You must conclude, Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I would envy the position of the minister, because I would relish the opportunity to serve in government and make the changes that need to happen. Scottish L...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will start with an admission that much of what I am about to say is exactly the same as what I said last night, when we covered similar issues. The Scotti...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Ross Greer Green
I am afraid that I have only four minutes, so I will not be able to.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will Ross Greer give way?
Ross Greer Green
I will, given that Ms Duncan-Glancy took an intervention from me.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Ross Greer mentioned fair work and ending zero-hours contracts, so does he support Labour’s new deal for working people?
Ross Greer Green
I do not know whether Ms Duncan-Glancy has seen the news today, but her party has just watered down its new deal for working people, to the point that Unite ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
If only Ross Greer and his party had been in government for the past two and a half years, we might have seen a bit of a difference. The Government’s policy...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:51
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have always been impressed by the work that is being done in our colleges. Those institutions are critical to the economic and social wellbeing of our coun...
Graeme Dey SNP
If I can contradict what I said at the start of my contribution, I ask where, if the member wants more money for the flexible workforce development fund and ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please conclude, Ms Webber.