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Meeting of the Parliament 07 May 2024

07 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Business Motion
Ross, Douglas Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

Exactly a week ago, I stood here and asked the Scottish Government, now a minority in the Parliament, to work with others, and I did so to seek just one thing: for us to stay behind by just 30 extra minutes, last Tuesday, to get an urgent statement from the Lord Advocate. Last week, Scottish National Party and Green members voted that down. I hope that, this week, they will support this proposal. This is a genuine request to get an update not just from the head of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service but from a member of the Scottish Government Cabinet.

We last heard from the Lord Advocate in January, when she made a statement to Parliament and was questioned by MSPs. During the statement, she was clear that exonerating everyone—a mass exoneration of everyone who was convicted under the Horizon scandal—was not, in her view, the correct course of action. We are now into May and we do not know whether the Lord Advocate still holds that view or whether her opinion has changed.

We now know that, in just a matter of weeks, this Parliament will be asked, on 21 May, to debate and vote on stage 1 of the Scottish Horizon legislation in Holyrood. The next day, 22 May, we will debate stage 2 as a Committee of the Whole Parliament. How can we go into that important legislative process without knowing the position of the most senior law officer in Scotland?

Last week, when I raised the issue, George Adam said:

“There is no clarity needed. The Scottish Government has repeatedly made clear its position that proposed legislation”—[Official Report, 30 April 2024; c 6.]

on the Horizon scandal will be introduced. What is not clear is whether the Lord Advocate agrees with the Scottish Government’s position. I do not think it too much for this Parliament to ask for the Lord Advocate to come to this chamber to outline her position and answer questions about it.

We know that questions on the issue are due at First Minister’s question time this week. Pauline McNeill has a question on the issue at FMQs.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S6M-13118, in the name of George Adam, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on changes to the...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Douglas Ross to speak to and move amendment S6M-13118.1. 14:04
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Exactly a week ago, I stood here and asked the Scottish Government, now a minority in the Parliament, to work with others, and I did so to seek just one thin...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Douglas Ross Con
I will give way shortly. That shows how important it is across the parties that we get a response on the issue.
Pauline McNeill Lab
The member will be aware that there was a five-year period in which the suspicions about the Horizon system were known. He will also be aware that no victims...
Douglas Ross Con
I very much welcome the support from Pauline McNeill and the support that we got from Labour and the Liberal Democrats last week. I will be listening with in...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call George Adam to respond on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau. 14:08
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (George Adam) SNP
As I said last week, the most important people in this are the families and those who suffered because of the decisions that the Post Office made. That is wh...
Douglas Ross Con
Given that that important process is now just a matter of weeks away, can the minister confirm that the Parliament will hear from the Lord Advocate, for the ...
George Adam SNP
I appreciate Mr Ross’s tone this week. Once again, we have to think of the families outside the Parliament who are dealing with this issue. They want to know...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment S6M-13118.1, in the name of Douglas Ross, which seeks to amend motion S6M-13118, in the name of George Adam, on behalf of the...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system. 14:11 Meeting suspended. 14:16 On resuming—
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment S6M-13118.1, in the name of Douglas Ross, be agreed to. Members should cast their votes now. The vote is closed. For Baill...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division on amendment S6M-13118.1, in the name of Douglas Ross, is: For 55, Against 70, Abstentions 0. Amendment disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The next question is, that motion S6M-13118, in the name of George Adam, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on changes to the business programme, be agre...