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Meeting of the Parliament 01 May 2024

01 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Women’s State Pensions (Compensation)
Chapman, Maggie Green North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Every 13 minutes, a WASPI woman dies. Every 13 minutes, a woman who might have lost several years’ worth of her pension—maybe as much as £42,000—dies without justice. As a result of changes that were made in the Pensions Act 1995 that were designed to equalise pensions, women who were born in the 1950s have lost out, with as many as 3.6 million women affected. That number includes at least 23,000 women in Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire.

None of those women disagrees with the pension equalisation. They do, however, disagree with the unfair way in which the changes were introduced. Significant changes to their pension age were imposed without widespread consultation, with little or no notice, and much faster than they were promised. Some women have been hit by more than one increase, with subsequent pension changes in 2011.

As we have heard, in March this year, the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman ruled that the UK Government had mishandled changes to the pension age, leaving many of those women facing hardship.

Until the 1990s, many women were not allowed to join company pension schemes and, because they did not have time to plan for the pension changes, they are now struggling to make ends meet. Many of the women who are affected started working before equalities legislation came into place in the 1970s. Many were forced to leave work if they got married, and many did not get maternity pay if they had children. Older women are now often unable to find appropriate jobs, and many cannot work, as they are carers for other family members or they have their own health conditions.

The WASPI women have been subjected to systematic discrimination, and the pension fiasco is just the latest example.

It should also be noted that many older women who are in receipt of either a salary or a pension tend to spend that money in their local economies. Therefore, it is not just the women and their immediate families who have lost out and suffered; their wider communities—our communities—have, too.

In its recent report, the PHSO also said that the affected women should be paid up to £2,950 each by way of compensation for the hardship that they have faced because the UK Government had mishandled changes to the pension age and the maladministration had left many of them facing hardship. WASPI women and probably many of us in the chamber think that the level of compensation that has been suggested is, to quote a WASPI woman,

“a slap in the face”.

It is appalling that the DWP, which was responsible for the maladministration, has said that it will not pay out even that measly amount. As Linda Carmichael, who is co-chair of WASPI Scotland, has said,

“an apology doesn’t pay the bills.”

After the publication of the PHSO report, another WASPI campaigner, Lorraine Rae, said:

“We are pleased that, after a long wait, we have been vindicated and have achieved a moral victory. But we must now also be compensated financially for the losses we suffered … We now require compensation without a protracted period of debate and stalling, during which many more Waspi women will die before receiving what they are due.”

I pay special tribute to Linda Carmichael and Lorraine Rae for their tireless work in Aberdeen and, indeed, to all the phenomenal WASPI women campaigners across Scotland. I know that they will not let up in their fight for fair and fast compensation. We should all be able to stand in solidarity with the WASPI women—our mothers, sisters, carers, neighbours and friends—in their fight for justice.

In closing, I am pleased to reaffirm my and the Scottish Greens’ unwavering support for the WASPI campaign. We believe that the WASPI women should have fair and fast compensation, and we urge the UK Government to act quickly to prevent any more damage to WASPI women.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
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The First Minister (Humza Yousaf) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that we have absolutely no time in hand this afternoon, so speeches will need to adhere to the time limits. 15:45
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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The First Minister SNP
Will Douglas Ross give way?
Douglas Ross Con
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The First Minister SNP
I thank Douglas Ross for taking an intervention. It is important for us to work collaboratively. That also means being up front and honest with the campaigne...
Douglas Ross Con
Yes—I do, and that is what I have said. In fact, my amendment states that the UK Government should urgently address and respond to the recommendations of the...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome this debate, and I take the opportunity to join colleagues in saying to the First Minister that I wish him well after the past week. Indeed, it is ...
The First Minister SNP
Putting that photo up is an awfully cruel thing to do—it is adding insult to injury. Actually, it was only yesterday that that photo was taken. Laughter. In...
Paul O’Kane Lab
I had that conversation with WASPI women in this very Parliament at the event that I spoke about, and Labour is very clear that we support the principles con...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Mr O’Kane, could you resume your seat for a second? Members—we have listened to all the speakers so far with courtesy and respect. Can we continue in a simil...
Paul O’Kane Lab
Thank you. It was important that the WASPI women who are listening in the gallery could hear what I just said, instead of the barracking that we had from th...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Every 13 minutes, a WASPI woman dies. Every 13 minutes, a woman who might have lost several years’ worth of her pension—maybe as much as £42,000—dies without...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I remind members that we have no time in hand. Members will therefore need to stick to their speaking time limits from now on. 16:04
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the opportunity to debate the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman’s recommendations. As deputy convener of the Scottish Parliament’s cross-...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 16:07
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I pay tribute to all Women Against State Pension Inequality campaigners, in particular those in Ayrshire WASPI, whom many MSPs met when the group visited Par...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
It would not be a contribution from me unless I started with a personal anecdote. I was a child who grew up in the 1970s in Glasgow, and I hit the job market...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
It is a pleasure to speak in the debate, and I thank the First Minister for bringing it to the chamber. WASPI women worked tirelessly throughout their lives...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to contribute to this important debate and to call on the UK Government to take action now to deliver justice and compensation for WASPI wom...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I thank the First Minister for bringing this debate to the chamber. I know that many folk heard him speak at Clare Haughey’s event with WASPI women the other...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
It is always good when we get to discuss social security in the Scottish Parliament. The front benches are possibly the most stacked that they have been duri...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jeremy Balfour Con
Unfortunately, I do not have time to take an intervention on this occasion. Unfortunately, that consideration has sometimes been lacking in Scotland since t...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
First, I commend the WASPI women in Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale and across Scotland for their resilience and their determination to see justic...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I recognise the debate’s significance for the WASPI women and their on-going work in the pursuit of justice. They have been tenacious in fighting for their c...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
The First Minister is absolutely right to say that, if such an injustice had been experienced by men—if they had been treated in the way that the WASPI women...
Douglas Ross Con
As I explained, we can come back to the wider issue of full compensation in a separate debate, but there is the opportunity today to focus on the PHSO report...
Maggie Chapman Green
We have agreement on the PHSO report, but I consider the element that the Conservative amendment would remove—the need for fuller and fairer compensation—to ...