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Meeting of the Parliament 23 April 2024

23 Apr 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I thank the Criminal Justice Committee team for their assistance and not least for the unseen work of the eternally patient researchers and clerks. Committee members rely on witnesses sharing their insights, experiences and expertise, and particular recognition should be given to victims, including survivors of sexual violence, who waived their anonymity to deliver powerful and compelling testimony.

According to its title, the bill is ostensibly about victims. Members might not know that its working title was the “Criminal Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill”. The bill is mainly about justice reform, as the original name had it. It is a vehicle to deliver some of the most profound changes to Scotland’s criminal justice system for, perhaps, centuries. Some might like to describe the changes as bold and radical, but I believe that much of it is experimental and founded on wishful thinking rather than hard evidence.

It is unlikely that many members will have read our stage 1 report—all 205 pages of it—but I will attempt to summarise it. The bill is in six parts. Before I come to each part, I note that I believe that one of the most important overarching issues with the bill is that it is, frankly, far too big. The Government has a track record of bad law—clunky, confusing and unworkable. The Parliament cannot allow that to continue. In that vein, I am encouraged by media reports of some Scottish National Party members being willing to stand up and be counted today.

Part 1 of the bill would create the role of a commissioner for victims and witnesses. On the face of it, what is not to like? A commissioner would fight for the rights of victims and witnesses and be a champion for those who are afflicted by crime and justice system failures. However, the commissioner would not be able to become involved in individual cases, so what is the point? Does Scotland’s public sector really need yet another hugely expensive functionary producing reams of jargon? Committee members were not persuaded by the Government’s proposal for a commissioner—and that was unanimous.

Part 2 of the bill requires some criminal justice agencies to “have regard” to what is called trauma-informed practice. Having spent months talking about, and listening to people talking about, trauma-informed practice, I am still no clearer on its exact definition. Our stage 1 report raised numerous concerns, including the observation that

“legislation is not necessarily required to deliver improvements”.

I believe that that is a significant understatement. Victims and witnesses have been disrespected for far too long and a lack of basic compassion, courtesy and communication often causes great distress. Look at the ordeals of the seven women who appeared in the recent BBC “Disclosure” documentary “Surviving Domestic Abuse”—they do not want legislative platitudes.

It is notable that some of the justice organisations that back trauma-informed practice have a track record of failing victims. The new report by His Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Prosecution in Scotland, Laura Paton, says that many of her 27 recommendations relate to matters that are already required but that are not yet being routinely delivered by the Crown Office.

Part 3 of the bill would introduce special measures in civil court cases. Once again, on the face of it, that is largely agreeable. However, as our stage 1 report points out, legislation relating to special measures has still not come into force four years after being passed by Parliament. I raised the issue of what is known as “legal system abuse” with the cabinet secretary. That is when abusers, mostly men, who are facing criminal proceedings simultaneously weaponise the civil court system to inflict further trauma. I put a simple fix to the cabinet secretary, suggesting that the same sheriff should preside over connected criminal and civil cases. I felt that her response was lukewarm, but that practical measure could make a real difference.

Part 4 of the bill calls for the abolition of the not proven verdict.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12922, in the name of Angela Constance, on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill at ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
I open the debate with my thanks to the Criminal Justice Committee for its stage 1 report on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill. It r...
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving way and for the remarks that she has just placed on the record, because this is a significant issue. In he...
Angela Constance SNP
We will of course consider the debate in and around the jury majority with sensitivity and in depth, and we will look at all the relevant issues and engage w...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The cabinet secretary already knows my position on juryless trials, so I will not reprise that. However, I would like clarification that the proposal is for ...
Angela Constance SNP
I can give clarification to Ms Grahame that the pilot, whatever form it takes, is to look at rape and attempted rape cases. I have already given commitments ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I now call Audrey Nicoll to speak on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee. 14:15
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am very pleased to speak in this afternoon’s debate on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee. I extend the committee’s sincere thanks to the clerking te...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Criminal Justice Committee team for their assistance and not least for the unseen work of the eternally patient researchers and clerks. Committee...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member accept an intervention?
Russell Findlay Con
I will.
Christine Grahame SNP
I thank the member for his tone and for his thoughtful contribution. There you are. When I was in practice as a civil practitioner many moons ago, that alr...
Russell Findlay Con
I thank the member for her intervention and have dialled down my flamboyance for her today. I agree. The member speaks to a point that is a recurring theme,...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I sincerely thank my colleagues on the Criminal Justice Committee and the committee clerks for what is an excellent report. The convener outlined its content...
Angela Constance SNP
I wonder whether Pauline McNeill is aware of the written evidence of the senators of the College of Justice, in which they said that, despite the new jury di...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I acknowledge that, but I hope that the cabinet secretary agrees that some progress has been made, in that judges are now expected, in every case, to talk ab...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Does Pauline McNeill believe that a 24 per cent conviction rate in single-charge rape cases is acceptable?
Pauline McNeill Lab
No, I do not. In case the member has misunderstood my point, the Government has said throughout that it is not specifically aiming to increase conviction rat...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pauline McNeill Lab
Is there any time in hand?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes—there is a limited amount of time in hand.
Pauline McNeill Lab
I will take an intervention from Christine Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
I am not on the committee, and I do not understand section 65(1), which says: “The Scottish Ministers may, by regulations, provide that trials on indictment...
Pauline McNeill Lab
That is one of the things that the Government has responded to—it will put the specified criteria into the bill. That is what I was trying to speak to, becau...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I greatly enjoyed my time on the Justice Committee in the previous session and often find myself missing it, but I do not envy Audrey Nicoll and her colleagu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 15:54
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Getting the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill to this stage has been a marathon. As a member of the Criminal Justice Committee, I too th...
Russell Findlay Con
Does the member share the concerns that others have expressed about there being too much in one bill?
Rona Mackay SNP
There is no doubt that it is a big bill, but we have taken a long time to scrutinise it and have heard a great deal of evidence. I agree that it is huge, but...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank members for their valuable contributions thus far. It is fair to say that the bill has been on a bit of a journey, perhaps much like my own from the ...