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Meeting of the Parliament 18 April 2024

18 Apr 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Griffin, Mark Lab Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

The bill would establish a council that would get the workers who are impacted by illnesses and injuries around the table to design the benefit. The budget to pay for addressing those conditions has been devolved from the United Kingdom Parliament to the Scottish Parliament. It is up to the Scottish Parliament to take up the responsibility of creating a system that is fit for purpose and that does not ignore the female workers who have been ignored for the past 40 to 50 years.

If a man works with asbestos and contracts mesothelioma as a result of his exposure, he is covered. However, a woman who works in an environment that has asbestos in it is completely ignored by the system just because she happens not to touch the asbestos during the course of her work—she still inhales the fumes every day. We need such people around the table to design the benefit as it is introduced and devolved. There is a huge gap in the devolution process so far.

I express my sincere thanks to Sheena, Sam and the countless others who have shared their absolutely heartbreaking stories with me over the years. They have convinced me of the necessity for the bill. Organisations such as the disabled workers committee of the Scottish Trades Union Congress, Action on Asbestos, Thompsons Solicitors Scotland, Scottish Hazards, Long Covid Scotland, the Child Poverty Action Group, Close the Gap, the Scottish healthcare workers coalition and even the Government-established Fair Work Convention have all shaped and supported the development of the bill. I am grateful for the endorsement of trade unions, including Unite, USDAW, the GMB, Unison, PFA Scotland and the Fire Brigades Union, as well as all members of the Scottish Trades Union Congress who back the proposal. The Scottish National Party trade union group backs the proposal; it is just a shame that the Government does not listen to its own trade union members.

Yesterday, the STUC unanimously adopted a motion of support for the bill, calling for the Government to accelerate the delivery of Scottish employment injury assistance and an advisory council.

I will mention the many ex-professional footballers who have supported my colleague Michael Marra’s Injury Time campaign to have brain injuries from football classified as an industrial injury. That is a cross-party campaign, with support from SNP MPs down south, but it does not seem to have the party’s support up here. It is backed by Sir Alex Ferguson, Craig Levein, Gordon Strachan and Alex McLeish.

In their work and support, all those organisations have highlighted the absolute urgency of giving to people who are ill because of their job a stronger voice and a fairer deal on employment injury assistance in Scotland. Absolutely nobody should suffer unnecessarily because of the job that they once did.

Firefighters who keep us safe from burning buildings and toxic fumes are now three times more likely to suffer from prostate cancer, leukaemia or oesophageal cancer. Right now, they are entitled to absolutely no support from the Government in recognition of the role that their job played in making them ill. Teachers who worked in classrooms with asbestos are now suffering from mesothelioma but, again, they are entitled to no support. Footballers such as Billy McNeill and Gordon McQueen were three times more likely than the rest of us to suffer from dementia but, again, they were entitled to no support with the illness that their job caused.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12882, in the name of Mark Griffin, on the Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill at stage 1....
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I make a voluntary declaration of interests as a member of the Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers and Unite. I am absolutely delighted to speak ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
There is a lot of agreement with what Mark Griffin says, in that we should be dealing with some of those issues, but am I right in saying that his bill does ...
Mark Griffin Lab
The bill would establish a council that would get the workers who are impacted by illnesses and injuries around the table to design the benefit. The budget t...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
We have heard across the chamber throughout this session—indeed, at last—that we recognise the importance of the lived experience of people feeding into the ...
Mark Griffin Lab
Absolutely. It seems strange that we have a current UK industrial injuries system with a UK advisory council with medical experts, trade unionists and peopl...
John Mason SNP
Will the member give way?
Mark Griffin Lab
I am sorry, but I think that I am in my last minute. I would be happy to take another intervention in my closing speech. The time for action is now. The bil...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
I thank Mark Griffin for his on-going commitment to people who have experienced an industrial injury or occupational disease, which is evidenced by the intro...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary has just set out that the Government agrees with the principles that Mark Griffin has articulated. Given that stage 1 of the process is...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I agree with the principles underlying why Mark Griffin is introducing the bill, and I say the following with the greatest genuine respect to Mr Griffin, wit...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary says that it is more sensible to wait. Does she not realise that, for many people with life-limiting and debilitating conditions, whose...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary, I can give you time back for interventions.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I appreciate that. I understand why there is frustration and impatience, but that is why I wish to be able to introduce the co...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention on that point?
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
If I have time, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Very briefly, Miles Briggs.
Miles Briggs Con
What will be the make-up of that advisory group?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I would be obliged if you would start winding up now, cabinet secretary.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Certainly, Presiding Officer. I am happy to respond to Miles Briggs’s question in my closing remarks, but the group would particularly include people with l...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
There have been a number of interventions already. I would be grateful if, as well as asking for an intervention in the normal way, members would press their...
Collette Stevenson (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to contribute to the debate on behalf of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. I thank everyone who sent submissions in response to ...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. As a member of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, I have, over the past number of mo...
Mark Griffin Lab
The point has been made about timing. We are at the stage 1 debate; we still have stage 2, stage 3, royal assent and commencement to go. We are nowhere near ...
Jeremy Balfour Con
Again, I understand where Mark Griffin is coming from, but the point is that we need to undertake—with cross-party support, as we have done with every other ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Briefly, cabinet secretary.
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I am happy to confirm that I wished to wait to see what would happen today because, quite frankly, there would have been no point in going through a consulta...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Wind up, please.
Jeremy Balfour Con
I thank the cabinet secretary for that. As I said at the outset, Mr Griffin and his team have undertaken a lot of good work to get his bill to this point. H...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open on behalf of Scottish Labour in this stage 1 debate, and I am pleased to support the general principles of my colleague Mark Griffin’s b...