Committee
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 16 April 2024
16 Apr 2024 · S6 · Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Item of business
Building Safety and Maintenance and Housing to 2040
Obviously, new-build standards have come in, which is an important step in relation to where we are with new houses. We are now starting to see those, and I have had discussions with developers who welcome that. We have to ensure that those standards continue to evolve as different technologies come forward. I know that that is being looked at. Work on damp and mould depends on whether the matter sits with local authorities or the private rented sector. This is where the role of the Scottish Housing Regulator comes in. I know that it has written to the committee directly about Scottish social housing charter indicators. One of the key things that the regulator is talking about, in engaging with the sector, is developing an appropriate monitoring system. That is really important for knowing what impact the issue is having. Again, ALACHO has an important role to play in relation to social landlords, while the regulator has an overview. After Covid, a note was put out on damp and mould to all social housing practitioners. That was in February last year, and four leading housing organisations sent a wee note out on that. I go back to the figures that I gave at the start of the meeting, showing that there have been no increases in the levels of condensation or mould, but we need to make sure that we are working on what to do going forward. You read some discussions saying that damp and mould are about tenants’ behaviours, but they are not. It is important that tenants look after their properties, but this is about making sure that the properties are properly looked after. It comes back to the point that Stephanie Callaghan made about ensuring that local authorities have effective schemes in place. The regulator has the ability to speak to local authorities about how they deal with damp and mould and I know that it has done that for Edinburgh, for example. We work closely with the housing regulator and the issue is always raised in the discussions that I have with it. Obviously, there is a complaints procedure, but working closely with the housing regulator is the important part. There is a report mechanism. As I said, the housing regulator wrote to Edinburgh about how it dealt with damp and mould in its properties. It is about people working closely with the regulator and with ALACHO. It comes back to the condition of the properties and how they are looked after, which comes back to how authorities deal with that in their local housing strategies and what they are spending on that work. Data is incredibly important. What levels of damp and mould are there? Each local authority can monitor that and do the piece of work on it. When I meet people from the City of Edinburgh Council, for example, we discuss damp and mould and how it is dealing with that. This is a broad area, but the regulator very much has a role to play and ALACHO, for the local authorities, is keen to work with it. It comes back to how local authorities look after their stock. As for private landlords, there have been discussions with the regulator and the Scottish Association of Landlords, and guidance has been given to private landlords on how they deal with damp and mould in their properties.
In the same item of business
The Convener
Green
The third item on our agenda is to take evidence on building safety and maintenance and the housing to 2040 strategy from the Minister for Housing. The minis...
The Minister for Housing (Paul McLennan)
SNP
Good morning, convener. It is always good to be back in the room with the committee. Thank you for inviting me to participate in this important discussion. I...
The Convener
Green
Thank you for that update. Our first session will be on building safety and maintenance; after that, we will take a short break and then focus on the housing...
Paul McLennan
SNP
In general, the Government would consider that. At the moment, it is looking at the issues in two or three different ways. We talked about the role of the ho...
The Convener
Green
Just to come back to the question, can we start to move forward on a database?
Paul McLennan
SNP
We would consider that. At the moment, we are engaging on where the damp and mould work, the RAAC work and the cladding work sit. We moved forward with the c...
The Convener
Green
Thanks. I will continue on a connected theme. The first time that I heard about it was in a session on cladding. It is the idea of a building MOT, which woul...
Paul McLennan
SNP
Again, to come back to the issue of cladding—I am sure that this will come up next week—discussions are continuing with developers about the single building ...
The Convener
Green
It is good to hear that that is being considered.
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Good morning, minister. While we are on the subject of maintenance—in particular, the maintenance of existing flats—we have heard from witnesses that the cur...
Paul McLennan
SNP
There is obviously the work by the tenement maintenance working group, and I know that there have been discussions on that. Graham Simpson discussed the issu...
Mark Griffin
Lab
I look forward to seeing that update. Have there been any interim updates?
Paul McLennan
SNP
Not as yet, but we hope that we will get some kind of report, as I said, post the summer recess. We have had an indication that there will be an update in th...
The Convener
Green
I will bring in Stephanie Callaghan next.
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP)
SNP
Good morning, minister. There is, understandably, a backlog in essential maintenance across housing tenures. I have two questions. First, how can that mainte...
Paul McLennan
SNP
With regard to local government, I have tried to get round to as many local authorities as I possibly can—I have about three to go, and then I will have been...
Stephanie Callaghan
SNP
I have one more question, for clarity. It sounds very much like you are talking about local authorities taking quite a joined-up approach, as well as getting...
Paul McLennan
SNP
I will be honest: the picture is mixed. One of the key points with regard to local housing is the housing needs and demand assessment process, which looks at...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
The committee has heard concerns that the efforts to cut emissions from existing homes might lead to unintended issues, such as more mould and damp. What mea...
Paul McLennan
SNP
Do you mean what actions have we taken in terms of emissions? Pam Gosal indicated agreement.
Paul McLennan
SNP
Obviously, new-build standards have come in, which is an important step in relation to where we are with new houses. We are now starting to see those, and I ...
Pam Gosal
Con
The Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland reports a rise in hospitalisations due to damp and mould in Scottish homes and emphasises that the current ...
Paul McLennan
SNP
That goes back to what I was saying previously. I mentioned the briefing note that was sent out, and the Scottish Housing Regulator plays its part. A real fo...
Pam Gosal
Con
You talk about the guidance, but I have mentioned that the current guidance is insufficient and that it is poorly understood. Where do you see the work of th...
Paul McLennan
SNP
That involves working with the housing organisations. We have mentioned the work of the Scottish Association of Landlords, and I will raise that issue with i...
The Convener
Green
I return to the issue of the action to reduce emissions in existing homes resulting in negative consequences. Specifically, the situation in my region is tha...
Paul McLennan
SNP
That is a really important point. I was in my constituency a couple of weeks ago at a project called insulate Innerwick. The village consists of around 400 h...
The Convener
Green
Thank you for that. Your example was about people in a community space who got together, and who pulled together to catalyse an event with Changeworks. We ca...
Paul McLennan
SNP
Very much so. If people can do that in a small village with 400 or 500 houses, how do we move towards that? How do we do that in urban Glasgow or in the High...
The Convener
Green
Great; thank you very much. All communities should be on alert and should get together.