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Meeting of the Parliament 16 April 2024

16 Apr 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Automated Vehicles Bill
Rowley, Alex Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I am pleased to speak on behalf of Scottish Labour in this debate on the Automated Vehicles Bill, and I am grateful for the work that the two committees have done in considering the bill’s implications.

The Automated Vehicles Bill, which was introduced by the UK Government last year, is intended to regulate the use of automated vehicles and to

“set the legal framework for the safe deployment of self-driving vehicles in Great Britain”.

There should be little argument as to whether the proposed legislation must be put in place. The pace of technology greatly outstrips the pace of legislation, so it is welcome that the UK Government recognises the development of automated vehicle technology and is seeking to ensure that we have in place an initial framework of regulation to govern that.

It is also important to note that the bill does not in itself allow automation to happen. Progress in automated vehicle technology will happen with or without the bill, so it is necessary that we have in place some form of regulation that sets the parameters of what is considered safe in the field.

I am aware that the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee considered the Scottish Government’s concerns about clause 50 of the bill. According to the committee’s report, the Scottish Government objects to clause 50 as it

“gives the Secretary of State a regulation-making power to clarify the application of other legislation to the ‘user-in-charge’ of an automated vehicle.”

The report goes on to note that

“The Scottish Government’s objection to this clause is that the power can be exercised in devolved areas without the UK Government having to seek the consent of, or consulting, the Scottish Ministers or Scottish Parliament.”

I note that the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee also commented on that aspect, highlighting

“the apparent contradiction between the statement in the DPM that the Scottish Parliament will be able to scrutinise the use of this power and the absence of any mechanism in the Bill that would enable such scrutiny”.

As a supporter of devolution, I believe that it is important that, if legislative powers are to be exercised in an area of devolved competence, the Scottish Government must have the opportunity to scrutinise that. I am disappointed that the bill includes no mechanism to enable that and that there has been no resolution to the issue through co-operation between the UK and Scottish Governments. I urge both Governments to work together to resolve that important issue, no matter how small its application might be in reality.

The topic of the bill lends itself to greater discussion of the role of automation in our future economy. As I have already stated, the bill does not allow vehicle automation to take place; it merely sets out a regulatory framework for it. However, if the automation of vehicles is to increase in the near future—as the necessity of introducing the bill seems to suggest will happen—it is crucial that we consider the impact of automation on workers who are employed in driving roles and in other areas.

Although the discussion on a just transition for workers relates to industries that are impacted by net zero targets, it needs to be widened to include workers who will be impacted by the greater introduction of automation and the question of what our plan as a nation is to protect livelihoods in the face of technology that will remove the need for workers in certain sectors.

17:21  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12834, in the name of Jim Fairlie, which is a legislative consent motion on the Automated Vehicles Bill, ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I could give the response of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee first if that would be helpful.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I appreciate that, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I see that the minister has now come in.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I will allow the minister to begin his speech after he has apologised to the Parliament. As I was saying, the next item of business is a debate on motion S6...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
First of all, I offer my apologies, Presiding Officer: I misjudged what I was about to do. I offer my sincere apologies to you and to the Parliament. Thank y...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jim Fairlie SNP
If the member allows me to finish this point, I will come back to him. However, the Scottish Government recommends withholding consent to clause 50 because ...
Graham Simpson Con
I thank the minister for taking the intervention. I think that I heard him say that UK ministers had asked to meet about clause 50. If I heard him right, can...
Jim Fairlie SNP
The Scottish Government does not have a date from the UK Government, so we are still waiting for that meeting to be arranged. I will return to the point tha...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak in this debate as convener of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. I draw members’ attention to the committee’s report on the ...
Jim Fairlie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
I will take an intervention. However, I am limited in what I can say.
Jim Fairlie SNP
I want to clarify a point. Edward Mountain talks about a question being raised about a two-tier system. That was not the point that the Scottish Government r...
Edward Mountain Con
That is the point. It is about where the dividing line is, where scrutiny is needed and whether the UK Government and the Scottish Government agree in relati...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Graham Simpson, who has up to five minutes. 17:14
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I assure members that I will take nothing like five minutes to deal with this matter, so we may have an earlier decision time. Given the debate so far, it...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
It might interest the member to know that one of the reasons why it is so difficult for committees such as the one on which I serve to hear a perspective fro...
Graham Simpson Con
In this case, I am not even sure that the UK Government was asked for its opinion. That gives parliamentarians in the Scottish Parliament a problem, because...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak on behalf of Scottish Labour in this debate on the Automated Vehicles Bill, and I am grateful for the work that the two committees have...
Jim Fairlie SNP
As we draw today’s deliberations to a close, I thank members from across the chamber for their contributions to the debate. I reiterate that UK ministers hav...