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Meeting of the Parliament 16 April 2024

16 Apr 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Automated Vehicles Bill
Fairlie, Jim SNP Perthshire South and Kinross-shire Watch on SPTV

As we draw today’s deliberations to a close, I thank members from across the chamber for their contributions to the debate. I reiterate that UK ministers have requested a meeting with the Cabinet Secretary for Transport in an effort to come to an agreement on clause 50 that respects the devolution settlement.

We welcome the UK Government’s bill, which takes an important step and a proactive approach to integrating cutting-edge technology into our transportation landscape. I take the opportunity to recognise the extensive work that the Law Commission of England and Wales and the Scottish Law Commission carried out, which concluded in a joint report on automated vehicles.

The bill establishes a legal framework for the testing and deployment of autonomous vehicles, ensuring safety and accountability. We appreciate that the bill allows for companies to be held firmly accountable once vehicles are on the road, while protecting users from being unfairly held accountable.

In addition, we recognise the need to share data, to safeguard privacy and security, and to investigate and learn from incidents. I take Edward Mountain’s point about the time that the committee had available to it to scrutinise the LCM. However, the Scottish Government was made aware of the bill being introduced only in November 2023, and it was given weeks to give consent, with no meaningful engagement. Therefore, we needed time to consider the devolution position—hence the need for the two legislative consent memorandums.

To respond to Alex Rowley’s point, automated vehicles are already available, and the Scottish Government recognises that autonomous vehicles will be part of the transport system in the future. That will not be successful in the UK without our having a robust regulatory framework in which we can foster the development and deployment of such technologies, thereby enhancing mobility options and driving economic growth. However, I very much take Alex Rowley’s point that some people may no longer have work if vehicles are autonomous.

We hope that the legislative framework will pave the way for a future of self-driving vehicles. As always, the devil will be in the detail as the secondary legislation is developed. We will continue to work collaboratively with the UK Government and key stakeholders in the sector. We must provide certainty for innovators and investors, as well as instilling confidence in the public that the technologies are safe, secure, accessible and inclusive, and that they will work in the interests of all of society.

There has been general consensus that the proposed legislation should lead to safer roads. We all want to reduce the number of accidents, injuries and deaths on the roads, and we hope that the framework will lay the foundation for the safe deployment of self-driving vehicles in the UK. As we move forward, let us remain vigilant in addressing concerns regarding safety, privacy and accessibility, and let us ensure that we embrace innovation. We do so with the wellbeing of our citizens at the forefront of our minds.

As we note the importance of the bill, I once again ask members to support the motion that was lodged by the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. Let us continue to collaborate, innovate and lead the way in shaping a future in which we remain at the forefront of technological progress while upholding our values of safety, accountability and inclusivity.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12834, in the name of Jim Fairlie, which is a legislative consent motion on the Automated Vehicles Bill, ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I could give the response of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee first if that would be helpful.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I appreciate that, Mr Mountain.
Edward Mountain Con
I see that the minister has now come in.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I will allow the minister to begin his speech after he has apologised to the Parliament. As I was saying, the next item of business is a debate on motion S6...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
First of all, I offer my apologies, Presiding Officer: I misjudged what I was about to do. I offer my sincere apologies to you and to the Parliament. Thank y...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jim Fairlie SNP
If the member allows me to finish this point, I will come back to him. However, the Scottish Government recommends withholding consent to clause 50 because ...
Graham Simpson Con
I thank the minister for taking the intervention. I think that I heard him say that UK ministers had asked to meet about clause 50. If I heard him right, can...
Jim Fairlie SNP
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Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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Jim Fairlie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
I will take an intervention. However, I am limited in what I can say.
Jim Fairlie SNP
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Edward Mountain Con
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The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Graham Simpson, who has up to five minutes. 17:14
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I assure members that I will take nothing like five minutes to deal with this matter, so we may have an earlier decision time. Given the debate so far, it...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
It might interest the member to know that one of the reasons why it is so difficult for committees such as the one on which I serve to hear a perspective fro...
Graham Simpson Con
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Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Jim Fairlie SNP
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