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Meeting of the Parliament 26 March 2024

26 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Gender Representation on Public Boards (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Regan, Ash Alba Edinburgh Eastern Watch on SPTV

The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice has described the amendment bill as simply a small technical fix to the statute book, but I completely disagree with that analysis. The bill is the Scottish Government’s very public acceptance, however grudgingly given, that its policy that trans women are women has been thoroughly defeated in Scotland’s highest court. Through a late change in the wording of the law and without any equality impact assessment, the Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018 defined women entirely on the basis of self-identification. It was, we were assured, a one-time-only redefinition that would have no meaning outside the act.

However, as women’s rights campaigners predicted, that new definition was soon used as proof that self-ID was now the law in Scotland and could not be argued against. For Women Scotland, some of whom are with us in the public gallery today, brought a judicial review on that new definition of women, and the inner house of the Court of Session ruled on 18 February 2022 that it was unlawful. The short bill that we are discussing today removes that definition from the legislation. Whether the new definition will have to be changed again—in support of For Women Scotland’s belief, and mine, that, for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010, women should be defined entirely on the basis of biological sex—will now be decided at the Supreme Court.

What is already clear today is that the Scottish Government’s policy that all men who identify as women should be treated as women is, in fact, unlawful. In fact, self-ID has no legal standing. Trans women are not women under Scots law, so it is wholly wrong for any organisation or MSP to still rely on a definition that has now been ruled unlawful and, as can be seen today, has been accepted as such by the Scottish Government. At the very least, the Scottish Government should make sure that it does not fund organisations that are advising it incorrectly and that all processes and policies are being updated to ensure that this does not happen again. I would welcome a statement from the Government on that, especially as the Government is saying that it will introduce a bill on conversion therapy this year.

I am also wondering, as others in the chamber might be, when the Scottish Government will advise its MSPs what the law is saying in this regard. This debacle, after all, was the start of a whole suite of legislation, together with the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021 and the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill, that is based, as far as I can see, on the demands of lobby groups that the Government is funding. It is entirely symptomatic of the failings of a Government that is pursuing legislation costing hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money that does not reflect the view of the public. I am sure that that money would be much better spent elsewhere. All of that has undermined trust—fatally, I think—in the Scottish Government. Most disturbingly for me as an independence supporter, it has also undermined trust in the Scottish Parliament as an institution.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12639, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on the Gender Representation on Public Boards (Amendment) ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
The Gender Representation on Public Boards (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill seeks to remove the section 2 definition of “woman” from the original Gender Represent...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Karen Adam to speak on behalf of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. 15:26
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
As noted at the end of our stage 1 report, the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee is satisfied that the Gender Representation on Public Boa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms Adam. I now call on Meghan Gallacher to speak on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. Ms Gallacher is joining us remotely. 15:30
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Today’s stage 1 debate will be relatively brief. The cabinet secretary and the convener have said that the amendment is a technical one. The one question th...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open on behalf of Scottish Labour in the debate. Scottish Labour supported the Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018 and...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I speak in the debate as a new member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. I thank the committee clerks for their assistance in the p...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin by thanking the committee for its work and its report. As my colleague Paul O’Kane said, we accept the committee’s recommendations in full and agree ...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
As a very new member of the committee, I am pleased to speak in today’s debate. As the convener said, this is essentially a single-issue bill and an exercise...
Ash Regan (Edinburgh Eastern) (Alba) Alba
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice has described the amendment bill as simply a small technical fix to the statute book, but I completely disagree with...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the closing speeches. I call Paul O’Kane to close on behalf of Scottish Labour. 15:50
Paul O’Kane Lab
I do not intend to detain the chamber for too much longer in having to listen to me, given that I opened for the Labour Party at the beginning of the debate....
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Annie Wells to close on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. 15:52
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I, too, will keep my remarks short, because we have now heard from most of my fellow members of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee and ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Shirley-Anne Somerville, to close on behalf of the Scottish Government. 15:54
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I thank all the members who have contributed to this afternoon’s debate. As I said in my opening remarks, it is very ...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary join me in recognising the work of For Women Scotland—some of whom are in the gallery today—whose tenacity and fundraising removed...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
As I mentioned in my opening remarks, the Government recognises the court’s decision. It is important that the Government listens to all groups—whether they ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate on the Gender Representation on Public Boards (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. There will be a short pause before we move on...