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Meeting of the Parliament 20 March 2024

20 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill
Johnson, Daniel Lab Edinburgh Southern Watch on SPTV

Indeed, and I think that Mr Fraser and others would need to answer for themselves.

In my view, it is important that democratic bodies such as local government reflect the values of the people who elect them. It is important that they are able to use their economic judgment not only in matters of global import but in other issues such as fair work, fair trade and the environment. It is only right that local government is able to exercise its economic judgment, using its procurement powers, to ensure that its procurement is falling in line with its value judgments. If what local authorities do is deemed to be unacceptable and to exceed their parameters, there is a mechanism for that; it is called an election. Local people can judge for themselves who they return to local government.

What does it say about the state of the Government’s foreign policy that it is so weak that it is undermined by the procurement positions of local government? That is a nonsense. What is worse is that the bill goes further and applies to bodies such as universities, which are supposed to be independent. I worry about what that will do to their independence and what further ramifications there might be. Universities guard their independence with great pride, and they are also very cautious about anything that would undermine it. It is useful and important to note that Universities Scotland has said unequivocally that it would want universities to be removed from the provisions of the bill.

Ultimately, it is a sign of a weak Government—a Government that would rather stoke culture wars because it struggles to deal with the consequences of its own economic decisions; and a Government that would rather seek division because it struggles to be relevant in the day-to-day issues that people face. It is no wonder, because this is a Government that is seeking to avoid an election because it fears the consequences and what the people’s judgment will be when the general election comes along.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12551, in the name Tom Arthur, on the Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill, which i...
The Minister for Community Wealth and Public Finance (Tom Arthur) SNP
The United Kingdom Government’s Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill engages the legislative consent process because it would limit the...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
As we have heard, the Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill intends to prevent public bodies, including local councils, national health ...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am afraid that I am going to disappoint Murdo Fraser. Ultimately, is it not the job of public bodies to use their judgment in accordance with their values?...
Murdo Fraser Con
If people want to change the foreign or trade policy of the United Kingdom, they can do so at a general election, but I do not think that we should be tearin...
Tom Arthur SNP
Murdo Fraser says that, in his view, the bill relates to trade and foreign affairs. In that case, why do the explanatory notes to the bill, as published by t...
Murdo Fraser Con
I will come on to explain why I have wider concerns about the proposed legislation, and the minister should listen. There are many oppressive regimes and st...
Tom Arthur SNP
Israel is already party to relevant agreements that give bidders from Israel the relevant protections in domestic procurement law in Scotland. I know that Mr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give Murdo Fraser the time back for the interventions.
Murdo Fraser Con
I do not understand why the minister does not recognise the concerns in the Jewish community in Scotland, which I have just referred to, about the approach t...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I will begin by agreeing with the minister, who set out very clearly the context in which the legislation is taking place. It is right to acknowledge and rep...
Murdo Fraser Con
Can Daniel Johnson name any other countries, with human rights records far worse than that of Israel, that there have been campaigns to sanction? This debate...
Daniel Johnson Lab
They may well not receive such prominence, but there are campaigns against procurement from Myanmar and from China because of the Uyghur situation. The situa...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Mr Johnson made the point that the campaign against anti-apartheid South Africa was largely led by local authorities in Scotland and throughout the rest of t...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Indeed, and I think that Mr Fraser and others would need to answer for themselves. In my view, it is important that democratic bodies such as local governme...
Tom Arthur SNP
I thank members for their contributions. The strength of feeling about the bill is obvious to anyone who is watching the debate. It is clear that, although ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That concludes the debate. There will be a brief pause to allow for a changeover of members on the front benches.