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Meeting of the Parliament 06 March 2024 [Draft]

06 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ending Violence in Schools
Macpherson, Ben SNP Edinburgh Northern and Leith Watch on SPTV

Like colleagues, I believe that no pupil, teacher or member of school staff and no one else in the school environment should suffer physical or verbal abuse, and that every child and young person has the right to an uninterrupted school day that is free from violence and disruption. I commend colleagues for bringing the issue to the chamber for debate, because the welfare of our young people and their nurturing and education could not be a more important issue.

Like colleagues, I have concerning casework on the issue involving parents, carers and staff who work in schools. As colleagues have mentioned, the Education, Children and Young People Committee has taken evidence on the issue and it is undertaking an important inquiry into support for those with additional support needs and the many challenges in ensuring that those young people—and people around them—are appropriately supported.

Given the extent of the challenge and its importance, I was pleased to see the five-point plan and to hear the Government’s reassurance that there will be targeted support for schools. The cabinet secretary and our colleagues and officials are focused on working with teachers, unions and stakeholders to make a meaningful difference. There is political unity as well.

In response to one of the five points, the whole-school framework on preventing and responding to gender-based violence was published this week, which is very welcome. I am pleased that there has been expert input from Rape Crisis Scotland and Zero Tolerance, which I know, because it is based in my constituency, has been extremely concerned. Ross Greer mentioned the research and surveys that Zero Tolerance undertook. According to that research, 64 per cent of girls and young women aged 13 to 21 experienced sexual harassment at school in the past year. That gives an indication of the scale of the challenge.

Given those circumstances, I would be grateful if the cabinet secretary could touch on how implementation of the framework will be supported, if there is capacity for her to do that in this short debate. Can we, as MSPs, help the Government, local authorities and schools in our constituencies and regions to take that forward? On that and the other four points, can we engage other stakeholders in a way that is similar to the engagement with the expertise of Zero Tolerance and Rape Crisis Scotland? As Brian Whittle rightly highlighted, the power of sport can make a difference here. I have seen that in north Edinburgh in my constituency, where the Spartans Community Foundation makes a real impact in supporting schools and, in particular, the young people who are involved.

To state the obvious, the issue is not isolated to schools. We have previously discussed challenges on public transport and the wider issue of the effect of the pandemic on young people. We cannot put it all on our teachers and those who run our schools. We perhaps need to have a wider debate at some point on the wide-ranging challenge of the behaviour of young people. Tomorrow, when there are young people sitting just behind me in the chamber, perhaps we can ask ourselves whether we are setting the best example.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12389, in the name of Liam Kerr, on ending violence in Scottish schools. 14:47
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, “Assaulted when 5 months pregnant—resulted in a bleed and hospital visit”; “I had a mild concussion last session, due to being struck wi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
Liam Kerr has raised a number of issues that I hope to come to in my speech, but it is worth putting on the record that the EIS in Aberdeen had not sent me a...
Liam Kerr Con
I do, but I also point out that I managed to get hold of the report. What concerned people was the cabinet secretary’s statement that said: “I don’t oversee...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I am grateful to the Scottish Conservatives for securing this afternoon’s debate on ending violence in Scottish schools. The Government will agree to the Con...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does Jenny Gilruth agree that there is a difference between the health and safety data on safety in schools and the data that she is talking about, which is ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
There is, indeed, an important differentiation to be made in relation to that data. I agree with the member on that point. I wish to reflect on some of the ...
Liam Kerr Con
I absolutely share the cabinet secretary’s concern about misogyny and its impacts. Regarding the response to that, I was really interested by the cabinet sec...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
It is important to say that restorative practices are part of a relational approach that has been proved to have an impact in respect of the preventative act...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary explain why no gendered analysis of that framework was done?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to write to Pam Duncan-Glancy with more detail on that. Given the number of stakeholders—including Zero Tolerance and Rape Crisis Scotland—that we...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I apologise for arriving a wee bit late to the debate, Deputy Presiding Officer. Two weeks ago, the EIS survey of nearly 800 of its members in Aberdeen fou...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
Pam Duncan-Glancy and I are on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, and she will understand—as I do—that behaviour is communication. What woul...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank Ruth Maguire for her intervention. She is quite right. We heard only this morning that distressed behaviour is almost always a communication. We woul...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Ms Duncan-Glancy, I have to ask you to bring your remarks to a close, please.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Support staff are providing help in corridors because there is nowhere to turn. Unions have solutions. Teachers have solutions. Scottish Labour has solutions...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
This is a human rights issue. It is often perceived that, if someone wants action to deal with behaviour, distress, violence or whatever we call it, they are...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Back-bench speeches should be of up to four minutes. 15:12
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I want to take a bit of a different tack and look at the issue through a wider lens. On Sunday, I had the great privilege of being at the world championship...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
It is important to note that the majority of Scotland’s pupils are well behaved. However, there has undoubtedly been a marked increase in disruptive behaviou...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Broken fingers, stitches, and significant knee damage—those are some of the injuries reported by Fife teachers to their local EIS branch. Across Fife last ye...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
It is one of those rare days in the Parliament when we all agree on the fact that no people, teacher or member of school staff should have to suffer abuse in...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a former councillor on Moray Council. I will look at the matter from that perspective. I start by acknowledging the fact that many ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The recommendations in the EIS Aberdeen report, which are really important, are all for the local authority. It is important that the national action plan se...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Tim Eagle, I will give you the time back.
Tim Eagle Con
I was about to come to that point. I accept that the Government and the local authority, and, for that matter, potentially the community, need to work toge...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will use my time to focus on gender-based violence. Last summer, Zero Tolerance Scotland sent a report to all MSPs that illustrated how horrifyingly common...
Brian Whittle Con
Does Ross Greer agree that it is not just what we teach but how we teach it and the environment in which we teach it that is crucial?
Ross Greer Green
I am grateful for that intervention and I could not agree more. A lot of evidence about that is coming out in the Education, Children and Young People Commit...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Like colleagues, I believe that no pupil, teacher or member of school staff and no one else in the school environment should suffer physical or verbal abuse,...