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Meeting of the Parliament 06 March 2024 [Draft]

06 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ending Violence in Schools
Maguire, Ruth SNP Cunninghame South Watch on SPTV

It is important to note that the majority of Scotland’s pupils are well behaved. However, there has undoubtedly been a marked increase in disruptive behaviour, and absolutely no teacher, member of staff or pupil should have to suffer abuse in our schools. All children and young people have a right to a learning environment in which they are protected and cared for and their rights and needs are respected. I welcome the opportunity to discuss and hear from colleagues about how we can achieve that.

My contribution in the previous debate on this topic focused on gender inequality and violence against women and girls in Scottish schools. I supported Zero Tolerance Scotland in its ask that the Scottish Government should recognise and prioritise violence against women and girls in all discussions about behaviour and violence in schools. I was not the only member to be horrified by the extent to which fear of violence was preventing girls from participating fully in education. It is therefore right that I welcome the Scottish Government publishing a dedicated approach for preventing and responding to gender-based violence in schools. The framework encompasses testimony from young people and staff and sets out how schools can use education, with an emphasis on compassion, to challenge societal views that normalise gender-based violence. Addressing gender inequality in education will tackle issues such as violence, bullying, attendance and attainment, and it will positively impact the experience of girls, teachers and boys in schools. The framework is a positive step towards that, and implementation of it will be key.

The Education, Children and Young People Committee is in the midst of an inquiry into additional support for learning in Scotland. Some of the evidence that we have recently taken can provide helpful points of reflection for the debate. We all understand that behaviour is communication and that speech, language and communication are crucial for attachment, relationships and learning. A young person developing good communication skills and their communication needs being met can act as a protective factor against mental health issues and are important for attainment and behaviour. The committee heard from the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists that, although demand has increased since prior to the pandemic, a focus on waiting lists alone could be unhelpful and that a way forward in addressing unmet communication need in school could be taking a whole-system approach.

We heard from an experienced teacher in the same evidence session that there are challenges to being able to participate in training, including being able to obtain cover for classes. She shared that speech therapists being embedded in schools or school communities and being able not just to deliver training but to coach and model ways of working had felt helpful. It seems logical that the approach of having specialists closer to the population could work for a number of interventions.

The issue of time and resource is consistently raised. We cannot expect teachers to be experts on everything or to solve all society’s ills and any training will be more valuable and more impactful where there is space and time for reflective practice. That point was reiterated in an informal committee session with teachers only this week. In our conversations with both pupils and teachers, we are hearing that the impact of reductions in additional support staff is something that makes supporting all children within schools more challenging.

Addressing the issue of behaviour is not just for teachers and it is not just for schools. Creating the environment and conditions where children are protected and cared for and where their rights are upheld and promoted is a job for all of us.

15:21  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12389, in the name of Liam Kerr, on ending violence in Scottish schools. 14:47
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, “Assaulted when 5 months pregnant—resulted in a bleed and hospital visit”; “I had a mild concussion last session, due to being struck wi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
Liam Kerr has raised a number of issues that I hope to come to in my speech, but it is worth putting on the record that the EIS in Aberdeen had not sent me a...
Liam Kerr Con
I do, but I also point out that I managed to get hold of the report. What concerned people was the cabinet secretary’s statement that said: “I don’t oversee...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I am grateful to the Scottish Conservatives for securing this afternoon’s debate on ending violence in Scottish schools. The Government will agree to the Con...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does Jenny Gilruth agree that there is a difference between the health and safety data on safety in schools and the data that she is talking about, which is ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
There is, indeed, an important differentiation to be made in relation to that data. I agree with the member on that point. I wish to reflect on some of the ...
Liam Kerr Con
I absolutely share the cabinet secretary’s concern about misogyny and its impacts. Regarding the response to that, I was really interested by the cabinet sec...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
It is important to say that restorative practices are part of a relational approach that has been proved to have an impact in respect of the preventative act...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary explain why no gendered analysis of that framework was done?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to write to Pam Duncan-Glancy with more detail on that. Given the number of stakeholders—including Zero Tolerance and Rape Crisis Scotland—that we...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I apologise for arriving a wee bit late to the debate, Deputy Presiding Officer. Two weeks ago, the EIS survey of nearly 800 of its members in Aberdeen fou...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
Pam Duncan-Glancy and I are on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, and she will understand—as I do—that behaviour is communication. What woul...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank Ruth Maguire for her intervention. She is quite right. We heard only this morning that distressed behaviour is almost always a communication. We woul...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Ms Duncan-Glancy, I have to ask you to bring your remarks to a close, please.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Support staff are providing help in corridors because there is nowhere to turn. Unions have solutions. Teachers have solutions. Scottish Labour has solutions...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
This is a human rights issue. It is often perceived that, if someone wants action to deal with behaviour, distress, violence or whatever we call it, they are...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Back-bench speeches should be of up to four minutes. 15:12
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I want to take a bit of a different tack and look at the issue through a wider lens. On Sunday, I had the great privilege of being at the world championship...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
It is important to note that the majority of Scotland’s pupils are well behaved. However, there has undoubtedly been a marked increase in disruptive behaviou...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Broken fingers, stitches, and significant knee damage—those are some of the injuries reported by Fife teachers to their local EIS branch. Across Fife last ye...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
It is one of those rare days in the Parliament when we all agree on the fact that no people, teacher or member of school staff should have to suffer abuse in...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a former councillor on Moray Council. I will look at the matter from that perspective. I start by acknowledging the fact that many ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The recommendations in the EIS Aberdeen report, which are really important, are all for the local authority. It is important that the national action plan se...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Tim Eagle, I will give you the time back.
Tim Eagle Con
I was about to come to that point. I accept that the Government and the local authority, and, for that matter, potentially the community, need to work toge...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will use my time to focus on gender-based violence. Last summer, Zero Tolerance Scotland sent a report to all MSPs that illustrated how horrifyingly common...
Brian Whittle Con
Does Ross Greer agree that it is not just what we teach but how we teach it and the environment in which we teach it that is crucial?
Ross Greer Green
I am grateful for that intervention and I could not agree more. A lot of evidence about that is coming out in the Education, Children and Young People Commit...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Like colleagues, I believe that no pupil, teacher or member of school staff and no one else in the school environment should suffer physical or verbal abuse,...