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Meeting of the Parliament 06 March 2024 [Draft]

06 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ending Violence in Schools

I want to take a bit of a different tack and look at the issue through a wider lens.

On Sunday, I had the great privilege of being at the world championship coaches club, where I got to speak to and listen to some of the best coaches in the world. We got on to the topic of the impact of sport on our society and the common issues that we face. Sometimes, we look at such problems as though we are the only ones who are facing them. They talked about the reduction in access to facilities, the ever-increasing screen time that our kids have and the influence of social media, all of which are impacting behaviour.

One of the top coaches sent me the following email from a parent who encourages her daughter to participate. I will read it out, because it encapsulates far better than I could the part that sport plays in our children’s development. She said:

“People always asked ‘Why do you pay so much money for your kid to do sports?’ Well I have a confession to make; I don’t pay for my kid to do sports. Personally, I couldn’t care less about what sport she does.

So, if I am not paying for sports what am I paying for?

I pay for those moments when my kid becomes so tired she wants to quit but doesn’t.

I pay for those days when my kid comes home from school and is ‘too tired’ to go to her training but she goes anyway.

I pay for my kid to learn to be disciplined, focused and dedicated.

I pay for my kid to learn to take care of her body and learn how to correctly fuel her body for success.

I pay for my kid to learn to work with others and to be a good team mate, gracious in defeat and humble in success.

I pay for my kid to learn to deal with disappointment, when they don’t get that placing or title they’d hoped for, but still they go back week after week giving it their best shot.

I pay for my kid to learn to make and accomplish goals.

I pay for my kid to respect, not only themselves, but others, officials, judges and coaches.

I pay for my kid to learn that it takes hours and hours, years and years of hard work and practice to create a champion and that success does not happen overnight.

I pay for my kid to be proud of small achievements, and to work towards long term goals.

I pay for the opportunity my child has and will have to make life-long friendships, create lifelong memories, to be as proud of her achievements as I am.

I pay so that my child can be in the gym instead of in front of a screen ...

I pay for those rides home where we make precious memories talking about practice, both good and bad.

I pay so that my child can learn the importance of time management and balancing what is important like school and keeping grades up ... I could go on but, to be short, I don’t pay for sports; I pay for the opportunities that sports provides my kid with to develop attributes that will serve her well throughout her life and give her the opportunity to bless the lives of others. From what I have seen so far I think it is a great investment!”

When we consider solutions to escalating school violence, we have to stop talking about it as if it is an issue in isolation. Our education cluster—which is led by my colleague Liam Kerr—has been discussing how we can tackle a combination of issues at school, such as poor behaviour, poor physical and mental health, lack of attainment, hunger and malnutrition. Malnutrition can be a very different issue from hunger. All of those issues are linked. I put forward the idea that we should offer activity prior to the traditional start of the school day. It does not matter what that activity is. It could be physical activity, music, art, drama or even software writing for video games—anything that captures pupils’ imaginations. While pupils are participating, we could tell them, “By the way, there’s breakfast over there.”

I ran that idea past the NASUWT union on Saturday, at a fringe event that was hosted by my colleague Liam Kerr, and it agreed that it would be a significant intervention. Would it cost money? Of course, it would cost money. Would doing it prevent many of the issues that we currently have to foot the bill for? Absolutely. It is time to get out of the silos and start thinking about long-term strategic solutions. I am afraid that, without appropriate nutrition, activity and interest, it will not matter what we do in the classroom—issues such as school violence will prevail. It is the school environment that needs to change, not the curriculum.

15:17  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12389, in the name of Liam Kerr, on ending violence in Scottish schools. 14:47
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, “Assaulted when 5 months pregnant—resulted in a bleed and hospital visit”; “I had a mild concussion last session, due to being struck wi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
Liam Kerr has raised a number of issues that I hope to come to in my speech, but it is worth putting on the record that the EIS in Aberdeen had not sent me a...
Liam Kerr Con
I do, but I also point out that I managed to get hold of the report. What concerned people was the cabinet secretary’s statement that said: “I don’t oversee...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I am grateful to the Scottish Conservatives for securing this afternoon’s debate on ending violence in Scottish schools. The Government will agree to the Con...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does Jenny Gilruth agree that there is a difference between the health and safety data on safety in schools and the data that she is talking about, which is ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
There is, indeed, an important differentiation to be made in relation to that data. I agree with the member on that point. I wish to reflect on some of the ...
Liam Kerr Con
I absolutely share the cabinet secretary’s concern about misogyny and its impacts. Regarding the response to that, I was really interested by the cabinet sec...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
It is important to say that restorative practices are part of a relational approach that has been proved to have an impact in respect of the preventative act...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary explain why no gendered analysis of that framework was done?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to write to Pam Duncan-Glancy with more detail on that. Given the number of stakeholders—including Zero Tolerance and Rape Crisis Scotland—that we...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I apologise for arriving a wee bit late to the debate, Deputy Presiding Officer. Two weeks ago, the EIS survey of nearly 800 of its members in Aberdeen fou...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
Pam Duncan-Glancy and I are on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, and she will understand—as I do—that behaviour is communication. What woul...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank Ruth Maguire for her intervention. She is quite right. We heard only this morning that distressed behaviour is almost always a communication. We woul...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Ms Duncan-Glancy, I have to ask you to bring your remarks to a close, please.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Support staff are providing help in corridors because there is nowhere to turn. Unions have solutions. Teachers have solutions. Scottish Labour has solutions...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
This is a human rights issue. It is often perceived that, if someone wants action to deal with behaviour, distress, violence or whatever we call it, they are...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Back-bench speeches should be of up to four minutes. 15:12
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I want to take a bit of a different tack and look at the issue through a wider lens. On Sunday, I had the great privilege of being at the world championship...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
It is important to note that the majority of Scotland’s pupils are well behaved. However, there has undoubtedly been a marked increase in disruptive behaviou...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Broken fingers, stitches, and significant knee damage—those are some of the injuries reported by Fife teachers to their local EIS branch. Across Fife last ye...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
It is one of those rare days in the Parliament when we all agree on the fact that no people, teacher or member of school staff should have to suffer abuse in...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a former councillor on Moray Council. I will look at the matter from that perspective. I start by acknowledging the fact that many ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The recommendations in the EIS Aberdeen report, which are really important, are all for the local authority. It is important that the national action plan se...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Tim Eagle, I will give you the time back.
Tim Eagle Con
I was about to come to that point. I accept that the Government and the local authority, and, for that matter, potentially the community, need to work toge...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will use my time to focus on gender-based violence. Last summer, Zero Tolerance Scotland sent a report to all MSPs that illustrated how horrifyingly common...
Brian Whittle Con
Does Ross Greer agree that it is not just what we teach but how we teach it and the environment in which we teach it that is crucial?
Ross Greer Green
I am grateful for that intervention and I could not agree more. A lot of evidence about that is coming out in the Education, Children and Young People Commit...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Like colleagues, I believe that no pupil, teacher or member of school staff and no one else in the school environment should suffer physical or verbal abuse,...