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Meeting of the Parliament 06 March 2024 [Draft]

06 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ending Violence in Schools

I apologise for arriving a wee bit late to the debate, Deputy Presiding Officer.

Two weeks ago, the EIS survey of nearly 800 of its members in Aberdeen found that almost half had reported daily violence and more than a third had been physically assaulted. Those incidents are a warning that something has gone badly wrong in education at the hands of a Government that once said that it was its priority.

Back in December, the cabinet secretary came to the chamber to speak on the issue, and, during that exchange, I believed that the Government had finally recognised the scale of the challenge and I hoped that that was a signal that it was ready to act.

I have since come to realise that that hope was misplaced, because, since then, we have seen scant action. Teachers, school staff and pupils continue to be distressed. No guidance has been issued on consequences, data collection or support from senior management for staff who are affected. Despite questions from across the chamber, we have little detail of the national action plan that the Government promised other than that it is expected in the spring. By that point, we will be nearing the end of another academic year, and a whole year will have been wasted since we first debated the issue in the chamber. Worst of all, the Government has cut education and local authority budgets, leaving teachers facing job losses, support staff without much-needed additional resource and pupils without mentor programmes that help them to improve their life chances.

Last week’s report should have been the final jolt into action that was needed. However, the cabinet secretary not only said that she had not read it but tried to pass the buck to the council. The situation in schools is not isolated to one area of Scotland. It is systemic, and I believe that the cabinet secretary knows that. This was a moment to show leadership, to wake up, to turn up and step up, and to give the generation of young people who are being failed the respect that they deserve. However, I am afraid that the Government turned away.

We have had three debates on the topic in the chamber, and not one of them has been led by the Government. Yet again, the answers have been left to the Opposition. I accept the cabinet secretary’s acknowledgment that the situation is difficult and will not be resolved overnight, but the hard reality is that, if the cabinet secretary does nothing, it will not be resolved at all. As a teacher who wrote in Tes at the weekend said, there will be no teachers or staff left to get it right for every child.

The stakes could not be higher. The future of our young people and their education is at risk. So, without the office of cabinet secretary or a civil service behind me, Scottish Labour has done the Government’s work again. We met pupils, parents, staff, teachers and unions. We listened and we showed leadership. We have made it clear that teachers must feel safe at work, that pupils must be able to go to school and feel safe to learn, and that parents must be able to leave their children at the school gate without worrying about their safety. We would take a zero-tolerance approach to violence and poor behaviour and to the impossible situation that the Government has created in schools, which leads to it.

Just as behaviour has consequences, so, too, do the Government’s cuts and actions. Its failure to deliver the promised non-contact time, to reduce class sizes, to end the burden of excessive workload and to implement the recommendations of the Morgan review have made things worse. The Government should start there. It should also gather national and anonymised data to create an inspection indicator for teacher wellbeing, so that we can properly understand the scale of the problem.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12389, in the name of Liam Kerr, on ending violence in Scottish schools. 14:47
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, “Assaulted when 5 months pregnant—resulted in a bleed and hospital visit”; “I had a mild concussion last session, due to being struck wi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
Liam Kerr has raised a number of issues that I hope to come to in my speech, but it is worth putting on the record that the EIS in Aberdeen had not sent me a...
Liam Kerr Con
I do, but I also point out that I managed to get hold of the report. What concerned people was the cabinet secretary’s statement that said: “I don’t oversee...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I am grateful to the Scottish Conservatives for securing this afternoon’s debate on ending violence in Scottish schools. The Government will agree to the Con...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does Jenny Gilruth agree that there is a difference between the health and safety data on safety in schools and the data that she is talking about, which is ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
There is, indeed, an important differentiation to be made in relation to that data. I agree with the member on that point. I wish to reflect on some of the ...
Liam Kerr Con
I absolutely share the cabinet secretary’s concern about misogyny and its impacts. Regarding the response to that, I was really interested by the cabinet sec...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
It is important to say that restorative practices are part of a relational approach that has been proved to have an impact in respect of the preventative act...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary explain why no gendered analysis of that framework was done?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to write to Pam Duncan-Glancy with more detail on that. Given the number of stakeholders—including Zero Tolerance and Rape Crisis Scotland—that we...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I apologise for arriving a wee bit late to the debate, Deputy Presiding Officer. Two weeks ago, the EIS survey of nearly 800 of its members in Aberdeen fou...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
Pam Duncan-Glancy and I are on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, and she will understand—as I do—that behaviour is communication. What woul...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank Ruth Maguire for her intervention. She is quite right. We heard only this morning that distressed behaviour is almost always a communication. We woul...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Ms Duncan-Glancy, I have to ask you to bring your remarks to a close, please.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Support staff are providing help in corridors because there is nowhere to turn. Unions have solutions. Teachers have solutions. Scottish Labour has solutions...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
This is a human rights issue. It is often perceived that, if someone wants action to deal with behaviour, distress, violence or whatever we call it, they are...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Back-bench speeches should be of up to four minutes. 15:12
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I want to take a bit of a different tack and look at the issue through a wider lens. On Sunday, I had the great privilege of being at the world championship...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
It is important to note that the majority of Scotland’s pupils are well behaved. However, there has undoubtedly been a marked increase in disruptive behaviou...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Broken fingers, stitches, and significant knee damage—those are some of the injuries reported by Fife teachers to their local EIS branch. Across Fife last ye...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
It is one of those rare days in the Parliament when we all agree on the fact that no people, teacher or member of school staff should have to suffer abuse in...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a former councillor on Moray Council. I will look at the matter from that perspective. I start by acknowledging the fact that many ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The recommendations in the EIS Aberdeen report, which are really important, are all for the local authority. It is important that the national action plan se...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Tim Eagle, I will give you the time back.
Tim Eagle Con
I was about to come to that point. I accept that the Government and the local authority, and, for that matter, potentially the community, need to work toge...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will use my time to focus on gender-based violence. Last summer, Zero Tolerance Scotland sent a report to all MSPs that illustrated how horrifyingly common...
Brian Whittle Con
Does Ross Greer agree that it is not just what we teach but how we teach it and the environment in which we teach it that is crucial?
Ross Greer Green
I am grateful for that intervention and I could not agree more. A lot of evidence about that is coming out in the Education, Children and Young People Commit...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Like colleagues, I believe that no pupil, teacher or member of school staff and no one else in the school environment should suffer physical or verbal abuse,...