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Meeting of the Parliament 28 February 2024

28 Feb 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Qualifications and Assessment

Those opportunities need to be available to children and young people, wherever they are. Some children and young people will flourish in those subjects in schools and some will require a different environment, including, for example, college. Provision needs to be tailored to the specific needs of the children and young people who are in our schools and our education system today.

The look that is being taken at the curriculum is important. Since its introduction, there has been a narrowing of the curriculum for excellence. The two-plus-two-plus-two structure, which is still prevalent, means that children are rushed to pick subjects in which they want to take a qualification as early as secondary 3, so that there is more time to teach them the relevant content, so that they can pass the high-stakes exam. That culture of teaching to the test stifles the ability to develop a deeper knowledge and understanding of the areas in which a child might excel or have an interest. It disengages pupils, it can limit their future choices and it should be reformed.

It is crucial that we allow pupils the room to study more subjects, but it is also crucial that we make the content fit for purpose and applicable in the modern world—for example, by clearly linking learning to future careers. An example of that is showing how maths can lead to a career in technology or gaming.

Reform needs to include a stronger focus on developing skills in problem solving, oracy and cross-subject work, so that young people head out to the world of work or further and higher education with the rounded skills that they will need. However, if we are to facilitate that broader learning, we will need to tackle staff workload, deliver increased non-contact time and address teacher shortages, including in computing, in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, and in rural areas.

The way that we assess all that should be reformed, too. We must recognise the potential in all our young people to deliver what employers, colleges and unis need. Assessment must benchmark talent. There is value in exams, as they can act as comparators within our system and with other places, but we should acknowledge that the uniform show of knowledge that they demand does not work for everyone. Some children’s talent will be demonstrated in other ways. Some will struggle to produce an answer on paper, but that does not mean that they have not taken in what they have learned. Reducing the weight and changing the format of exams could help with that.

So, too, could a changed approach to the way in which we talk about qualifications and the way in which we develop them, award them and accredit them. That will help us to re-engage pupils through the delivery of parity of esteem and will improve outcomes for all pupils, including pupils with additional support needs. Therefore, I believe that the Government should accept Professor Ken Muir’s recommendation to split the functions in the new bodies that replace the SQA and Education Scotland. I believe that doing that will be fundamental to meaningful reform.

Recognising and valuing a young person’s journey and unique talents is crucial in spreading and fostering opportunity, and the personal pathway in the diploma has the potential to do that and to value talent for all. However, as others have said, it must be recognised that that approach is about valuing potential, removing barriers and guarding against inequality. Well-off children should not have an unfair advantage, and pupils with ASN should have access to the same extracurricular activities as other children.

I believe that we can achieve that if we measure success in schools differently, implement the Morgan review and support youth work. It is clear that, for so many reasons, reform is needed urgently. We should never pit one path against another. We should broaden opportunity and empower young people to take the path by which they will excel, and then empower schools and education authorities to set them on that path. Every child should face the world with no glass or class or stepped ceiling in their way, knowing that they are valued and equipped with the knowledge and skills that can transcend barriers.

In order to do that and to meet the challenges of today and tomorrow, we will need to introduce reform. Colleagues, we must do that quickly. Now that we know what is needed, it is time to leave behind an era of review, usher in an era of implementation and deliver the education system that our young people need, so that they can enjoy and create the opportunities of tomorrow.

16:19  

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The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary recognise that all the factors that she has set out are reasons for introducing reform rather than delaying it?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
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Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Jenny Gilruth SNP
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When will the new qualifications body be up and running? Which cohort of pupils will take the exams that it will set?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Jenny Gilruth SNP
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Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I welcome the constructive and open discussion that we had last week with the cabinet secretary. I thought that that was quite a helpful session; she was muc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
As we move to the open debate, I remind all members who wish to speak to check that they have pressed their request-to-speak button. I advise members that ba...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
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Willie Rennie LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Fulton MacGregor SNP
No—I do not have enough time. Sorry. That has gone some way to reducing the poverty-related attainment gap, which is a massive issue in my constituency. At ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
The debate is hugely important and it is critical to get it right, not just for our young people and learners more widely but for the wider economy and socie...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Please conclude, Mr Greer.
Ross Greer Green
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Oliver Mundell Con
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