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Meeting of the Parliament 28 February 2024

28 Feb 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Qualifications and Assessment

I start by thanking Professor Louise Hayward and her team, and all the teachers, pupils, support staff and parents, for the work that they did on the report. They and we have eagerly awaited next steps, so I am pleased that the cabinet secretary has brought this debate.

However, in discussing qualifications and assessments, it is important that we view them as one piece of the jigsaw and recognise how they fit with the many reviews, consultations and surveys that have been carried out. Therefore, although they are missing from the Government motion, I welcome that the cabinet secretary mentioned them in her opening remarks.

The case for change is compelling. Right now, things are not working as they should for pupils, particularly for those who have additional support needs, for teachers and support staff burdened by heavy workloads, and for society, which is relying on today’s education system getting it right for the generation of children who will deliver the skills that we need to grow the economy of tomorrow.

A failure to implement commitments that could address some of the issues that we see today—increased non-contact time, reduced class sizes and support for children who have additional needs—has held back potential, caused a decline in pupil and parental engagement and driven people away from the teaching profession. The cabinet secretary is therefore right to recognise that things are difficult and that we need to take people with us and time to do that, but those are reasons to reform, not reasons to delay.

One of the most pressing examples of why reform is crucial can be seen and heard in the experience of children who have additional support needs. The scale of how badly they are being let down has been coming over starkly in our committee inquiry. It is not just about a lack of support; they are being done a disservice in the way that we attempt to measure their success, so we must change that. If we can get it right for them, we will and can get it right for every child.

For too long, we have fostered a narrative that the only way to be successful in education is to get high grades in academic assessment through performance in high-stakes exams. We need to change that, which is why the debate is important and reform is pressing. The course programme element, and then assessment, are perhaps the most recognisable as similar to what we have now, but they will need to come with significant reform.

We need a broadened curriculum with a focus on knowledge and skills to grow the economy for the future. We also need to pay significant attention to the recruitment and retention of school staff and give education institutions the ability to innovate and deliver parity of esteem. Partnerships between schools and colleges that allow pupils to take college-level courses in place of highers and national 5s in subjects that are not otherwise included in the school curriculum—for example, in engineering, catering or social care—should be supported and encouraged. By making those broader skills and courses available and, crucially, by valuing those course and colleges, we can enable more young people to broaden their opportunities.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary recognise that all the factors that she has set out are reasons for introducing reform rather than delaying it?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
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Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Jenny Gilruth SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
When will the new qualifications body be up and running? Which cohort of pupils will take the exams that it will set?
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
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Liam Kerr Con
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Jenny Gilruth SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
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Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
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Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
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Willie Rennie LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Fulton MacGregor SNP
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Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
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Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Please conclude, Mr Greer.
Ross Greer Green
We cannot do that again. We need to be brave and seize the opportunity to create a system that will serve young people in our society for decades. 16:49
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