Hansard

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP

The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12317, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: referral back to the ...

Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab

I come to the chamber more in sorrow than in anger to move a motion to ask the Parliament to send the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill back to the Healt...

Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con

I am entirely in agreement with what Jackie Baillie is saying.

The Minister for Local Government Empowerment and Planning (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP

That is a surprise.

Liz Smith Con

Actually, it is not a surprise, because I think that we both have exactly the same views about the importance of scrutiny in the Parliament. Does Jackie Bai...

Jackie Baillie Lab

I absolutely do. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee made the point that it is not good legislative practice to stick substantive decisions on spen...

Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a practising general practitioner in the national health service. I am also a member ...

Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP

There has been much talk from the Opposition about a framework bill. I remind members that the national health service was established in the United Kingdom ...

The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP

Mr Stewart—

Kevin Stewart SNP

—to create an institution that works for all—

The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP

Mr Stewart, do you have some kind of question for the member?

Kevin Stewart SNP

It is a pity that Dr Gulhane and others do not have the radical edge that Nye Bevan and others did—

The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP

Mr Stewart! Dr Gulhane, please continue.

Sandesh Gulhane Con

Well, there was no question. If Mr Stewart wanted to speak, he should have put his name forward to do a speech. I ask members across the chamber to vote not...

The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP

The National Care Service (Scotland) Bill is our opportunity to reform the social care system in Scotland. I welcome the Parliament’s consideration of such a...

Jackie Baillie Lab

Will the minister take an intervention?

Maree Todd SNP

I have five minutes. I will not be taking interventions. People across the country deserve better, and that is what the bill will bring. Most important, it ...

The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP

I call Clare Haughey to speak on behalf of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. 15:37

Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP

The Health, Social Care and Sport Committee has undertaken extensive scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill since its introduction in June 202...

Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD

I rise to support the motion in the name of Jackie Baillie. Presiding Officer, there is an element of ministerial cosplay at work here. If you listen to the...

Sandesh Gulhane Con

The minister said that focus on the parliamentary process was not needed, but this is not obtuse process—this is scrutiny. It is clear that this secretive Sc...

Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab

The establishment of a national care service gives the Parliament the chance to be bold, ambitious and innovative. I am clear that it is not Scottish Labour ...