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Meeting of the Parliament 21 February 2024

21 Feb 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service Dentistry
Baker, Claire Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

As Willie Rennie highlighted, we are seeing more people struggling to get access to NHS dentistry in Fife. David Torrance can defend the Scottish Government if that is what he wishes to do, but he must also recognise that constituents in Kirkcaldy have recently been told that Redburn Dental is going fully private and that he will have constituents who will not be able to access an NHS dentist.

The Scottish Government points to 95 per cent of Scots being registered with an NHS dentist. However, following the introduction of lifetime registration in 2010, that figure actually tells us little. Far more relevant is the percentage of people who have seen an NHS dentist in the past two years, which is only around half of those who are registered. The dental statistics that were published this week unfortunately do not give an update to that figure. I hope that future publications will assess any impact of the changes on access to NHS care.

We need more information on registration. Registration numbers do not show that a third of children who are registered have not seen a dentist in the past two years; they do not include the fact that people who are registered with a practice but are currently without a dentist within it are unable to access routine treatment; and they do not include patients who are currently at practices that will close in the next couple of months and who, in the meantime, cannot get an appointment. Registration without access to dentistry is meaningless.

Recruitment and retention are clear challenges. The overall increase in the number of dentists since 2010 has evaporated since the pandemic, and issues with the supply of dentists from training or from other countries are a major pressure on the system. In evidence on dentistry to the COVID-19 Recovery Committee, it was noted that private practice was not experiencing the same difficulties.

We know that dentists are leaving NHS practice and that practices are struggling to recruit new dentists. Practices are closing, leaving patients without access to care. In Fife, Nanodent in Glenrothes will close in April due to a lack of staffing. One dentist is moving to another practice, but all adult patients with other dentists will be deregistered. Patients have been struggling to get appointments for the past two years due to low staffing, and that struggle will now continue as they try to find somewhere else in Fife that offers NHS care. Another practice in Glenrothes is to relocate many of its patients to a dentist 14 miles away in Cowdenbeath. For those who rely on public transport, real issues exist around accessibility.

Letters that advise of closures tell patients that it proved impossible to recruit dentists. The letters also recognise the difficulties in finding a dental practice that is willing to accept NHS patients. More than 80 per cent of NHS practices in Scotland are no longer taking on new patients, with a similar number reducing their lists. As of this morning—as has been the case for some time—zero NHS dentists in Fife are taking on new patients, whether people are under 26 or not. Patients who are looking to register with a dentist can do nothing but wait, and out of more than 50 listed NHS dentists, only two practices in Fife are even operating waiting lists.

The BDA is clear that lower attendance at dentists will result in a higher dental disease burden down the line, with health inequalities expected to widen further. The organisation is also clear that the changes that were brought in late last year were not the “root and branch reform” that those in the profession sought. Instead of shifting to a more prevention-based system, the Scottish Government has merely tinkered with the drill-and-fill model, and it is not clear how that will make NHS dentistry a more attractive place to be for practitioners or how that will improve access for patients.

The promise of free dental care for all was not made before the pandemic; it was made at a point when dental services had been heavily impacted and we knew that there would be on-going consequences. However, the majority of Scots are not only still paying for dental treatment; since November, they are now paying even more than they used to.

I am concerned that, rather than providing free, quality dental care, we are in a situation in which people are being pushed into using private dentistry with no other option available to them. The changes that were made in November must be only the beginnings of much more comprehensive reform if NHS dentistry is to have a future.

16:45  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12215, in the name of Willie Rennie, on the crisis in NHS dentistry. I would be grateful if members who w...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
In case members have not had enough of me, I will speak in this debate, too. In preparation, I asked for people’s experiences of NHS dentistry. I had a tidal...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Can you confirm that the motion has been moved?
Willie Rennie LD
That was a rookie error. I move, That the Parliament believes that there is a crisis in NHS dentistry; considers that it is deeply concerning that people a...
The Cabinet Secretary for NHS Recovery, Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
The previous debate focused on the importance of care being delivered in our communities through, and in partnership with, general practices. This debate is...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary speaks about the preventative agenda being foremost in his thoughts, but how can dental treatment be preventative when there are two ye...
Neil Gray SNP
I will come on to talk about some of the detail of the work that we are doing with the industry to provide greater capacity, so that Sue Webber can be reassu...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary explain why private sector dentistry is not facing the same pressure as NHS dentistry, post-pandemic?
Neil Gray SNP
There are pressures across the dentistry sector. I do not think that it would be fair to say that any one part is facing the pressures alone. That is why we ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, cabinet secretary, you must conclude.
Neil Gray SNP
I move amendment S6M-12215.2, to leave out from first “believes” to end and insert: “recognises the significant challenges in dental services, compounded by...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I should say that we are very tight for time this afternoon—we have no time in hand. I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-12215.3. You h...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests—I am a practising NHS general practitioner. There we have it from the cabinet secretary: e...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I take this opportunity to welcome the new cabinet secretary to his place. It was remiss of me not to do so during the previous debate, but I do so now. I al...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. I call Liam McArthur, to be followed by David Torrance. 16:28
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
A year ago, in a similar Scottish Liberal Democrat debate, I suggested that any objective analysis of NHS dentistry across Scotland could only conclude that ...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
We all know that Opposition parties do not like talking about Brexit, but given that approximately 60 per cent of the dental workforce is European, to simply...
Willie Rennie LD
Will the member give way?
David Torrance SNP
I am short of time.
Willie Rennie LD
I will be very brief.
David Torrance SNP
No, thank you. It is fair to say that the rate of NHS registration is also significantly higher in Scotland than in the rest of the United Kingdom, with mor...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Two years ago, the Scottish Conservatives held a debate called “Preventing the Collapse of NHS Dentistry in Scotland”. Two years on from that debate, NHS out...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
As Willie Rennie highlighted, we are seeing more people struggling to get access to NHS dentistry in Fife. David Torrance can defend the Scottish Government ...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
As I did in the previous debate, I thank all the professionals working in the sector for their hard work. I also thank the BDA for its briefing ahead of the ...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
Like the offices of all other members in this debate, my constituency office receives a huge number of contacts from people who present with very serious pro...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Fergus Ewing is right to talk about the issue of potential bonds on new dental graduates, but is he also interested, as the Liberal Democrats are, in how eas...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I totally agree with that point. Unnecessary bureaucratic imposts are one of the things that are really holding Scotland back across the range. Incidentally,...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to winding-up speeches. 16:53
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close the second debate for Scottish Labour. As before, I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this important debate to the chamber in th...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Shocking new figures that were released yesterday have revealed the scale of the crisis in Scottish dentistry. In December last year, the number of patients ...