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Meeting of the Parliament 21 February 2024

21 Feb 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service Dentistry

I take this opportunity to welcome the new cabinet secretary to his place. It was remiss of me not to do so during the previous debate, but I do so now. I also congratulate the new member, Tim Eagle, on his excellent maiden speech.

The decline in NHS dentistry in Scotland under the SNP is, frankly, scandalous. The Government is driving NHS dental services into the ground. Oral health is consistently a second thought, and there are people across the country who are unable to sign up to a dentist and who are relying on emergency dental phone lines instead. In 2022, the number of NHS 24 calls about dental health exceeded 60,000, which was an increase of 40,000 compared to four years prior. That is not good enough. Scots should be able to access the care that they need in their local area and should not have to wait until a minor dental issue becomes an emergency to see a dentist.

Labour research shows that, in recent years, waits for dental surgery have soared. Each of the 14 territorial health boards has seen an increase in the average waiting time for dental surgery. In some parts of Scotland, people are waiting close to a year, in excruciating pain, for the surgery that they desperately need.

The Government’s failure to get to grips with NHS dentistry issues is—as is far too often the case—compounding health inequalities. In 2022, children and adults from the most deprived areas in Scotland were less likely to have seen their dentist compared to those in the least deprived areas. The gap between child participation rates in dental care was 20 percentage points between the most and least deprived, which is completely unacceptable. Shockingly, only 68 per cent of 10 to 11-year-olds in the 10 most deprived areas in Scotland are decay free compared to 90 per cent in the 10 least deprived areas. That is a stark contrast. Patients and dentists deserve better.

I can furnish members with a personal anecdote. For the past 20 years, I have been registered with an NHS dentist in one of the most deprived communities in Scotland—north Glasgow—and, for the first time in my life, from childhood to the present, I have been unable to get a routine check-up because the permanent dentist has left, locums continually fail to appear and dental appointments have routinely been cancelled. I have not been able to get a dental check-up for eight months, despite repeatedly attempting to book one. That is just one personal example.

In 2006, the last Labour-led Scottish Government introduced the world-leading and ambitious childsmile programme, which gives young people free toothbrushes and toothpaste as well as two fluoride varnishes a year. The programme has vastly improved prevention of the signs of tooth decay in primary school-aged children. Childsmile is an example of spending to save down the line and improving through-life costs. It is about prevention and is a good example of what the Government could do much more of. It was also a targeted intervention to close the oral health gap. That is why I mention it in my amendment. That foresight and long-termism is missing from the Scottish Government’s sticking-plaster approach to dentistry.

Last year, Labour members welcomed the news that the Scottish Government was in conversation with dentists regarding a new payment reform plan to ensure that dentists continue to offer NHS services in the light of swathes of dental practices turning away from NHS provision. Often, once they go, they will not come back in a hurry. However, what the Government offered fell short of the mark, and, as the British Dental Association has said,

“the fundamentals of a broken system remain”.

Dentists regularly tell me that they have witnessed a huge increase in the number of patients presenting with signs of DIY dentistry, and I am sure that they have said the same to ministers. We only have to look at the explosion of adverts for self-dental scaling kits that are available on social media as an indication of what is going on out there. A British Dental Association survey showed that 83 per cent of Scottish dentists have treated patients who performed DIY dentistry during lockdown. That is simply outrageous.

Significant change to the NHS recovery plan is needed to reverse the decline in NHS dentistry so that Scots have access to dental healthcare when and where they need it.

I move amendment S6M-12215.1, to insert at end:

“and recognises that the world-leading Childsmile programme, which was implemented by the last Scottish Labour Party-led administration in 2006, has been widely recognised as one of the most effective public health interventions of the devolved era and has transformed child dental health.”

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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12215, in the name of Willie Rennie, on the crisis in NHS dentistry. I would be grateful if members who w...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
In case members have not had enough of me, I will speak in this debate, too. In preparation, I asked for people’s experiences of NHS dentistry. I had a tidal...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Can you confirm that the motion has been moved?
Willie Rennie LD
That was a rookie error. I move, That the Parliament believes that there is a crisis in NHS dentistry; considers that it is deeply concerning that people a...
The Cabinet Secretary for NHS Recovery, Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
The previous debate focused on the importance of care being delivered in our communities through, and in partnership with, general practices. This debate is...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary speaks about the preventative agenda being foremost in his thoughts, but how can dental treatment be preventative when there are two ye...
Neil Gray SNP
I will come on to talk about some of the detail of the work that we are doing with the industry to provide greater capacity, so that Sue Webber can be reassu...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary explain why private sector dentistry is not facing the same pressure as NHS dentistry, post-pandemic?
Neil Gray SNP
There are pressures across the dentistry sector. I do not think that it would be fair to say that any one part is facing the pressures alone. That is why we ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, cabinet secretary, you must conclude.
Neil Gray SNP
I move amendment S6M-12215.2, to leave out from first “believes” to end and insert: “recognises the significant challenges in dental services, compounded by...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I should say that we are very tight for time this afternoon—we have no time in hand. I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-12215.3. You h...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests—I am a practising NHS general practitioner. There we have it from the cabinet secretary: e...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. I call Liam McArthur, to be followed by David Torrance. 16:28
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
A year ago, in a similar Scottish Liberal Democrat debate, I suggested that any objective analysis of NHS dentistry across Scotland could only conclude that ...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
We all know that Opposition parties do not like talking about Brexit, but given that approximately 60 per cent of the dental workforce is European, to simply...
Willie Rennie LD
Will the member give way?
David Torrance SNP
I am short of time.
Willie Rennie LD
I will be very brief.
David Torrance SNP
No, thank you. It is fair to say that the rate of NHS registration is also significantly higher in Scotland than in the rest of the United Kingdom, with mor...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Two years ago, the Scottish Conservatives held a debate called “Preventing the Collapse of NHS Dentistry in Scotland”. Two years on from that debate, NHS out...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
As Willie Rennie highlighted, we are seeing more people struggling to get access to NHS dentistry in Fife. David Torrance can defend the Scottish Government ...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
As I did in the previous debate, I thank all the professionals working in the sector for their hard work. I also thank the BDA for its briefing ahead of the ...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
Like the offices of all other members in this debate, my constituency office receives a huge number of contacts from people who present with very serious pro...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Fergus Ewing is right to talk about the issue of potential bonds on new dental graduates, but is he also interested, as the Liberal Democrats are, in how eas...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I totally agree with that point. Unnecessary bureaucratic imposts are one of the things that are really holding Scotland back across the range. Incidentally,...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to winding-up speeches. 16:53
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close the second debate for Scottish Labour. As before, I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this important debate to the chamber in th...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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