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Meeting of the Parliament 21 February 2024

21 Feb 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service Dentistry
Gray, Neil SNP Airdrie and Shotts Watch on SPTV

There are pressures across the dentistry sector. I do not think that it would be fair to say that any one part is facing the pressures alone. That is why we have developed the reform, which I will go on to talk about shortly.

Although controls were relaxed, they were still a significant barrier to full productivity in the sector and thus to dental-contractor incomes. The Scottish Government responded with more than £150 million of additional emergency financial support to sustain and, ultimately, to preserve the sector. We recognised then, and continue to recognise now, how important dental care is.

Although the immediate impacts of the pandemic on activity are now behind us, the dentistry sector continues to feel the impact of the pandemic in relation to access and the available workforce. Parliament will recall that all undergraduate and vocational training was suspended for a year at the height of the pandemic, due to the IPC restrictions, and that loss of an entire cohort of 160 dentists is undeniably still being felt today and is recognised by members across the chamber, I am sure.

I want to address Willie Rennie’s opening comments and the awful examples that he gave of people seeking NHS dentistry and the lengths that some people have gone to in the absence of access to it. I recognise that there are challenges—of course I do—and I recognise the difficulties that have been faced by people of late.

I recognise, as well, that the Liberal Democrats have set out their own action plan for dentistry and I thank them for that plan. People who are paying attention will see that the plan is, in many areas, a direct copy of the actions that this Government is already taking. Their proposed plan outlines the intention to reform the funding structure for NHS dentistry—something that the Scottish Government has already delivered through significant root-and-branch payment reform on 1 November last year.

The reformed payment system comprises a completely new fee structure, which is designed to attract dentists to provision of NHS care and, ultimately, to improve patient access.

That builds on the commitments that we set out in our 2018 “Oral Health Improvement Plan”. It follows one of the biggest consultations with the dental sector in recent times, and it is the most substantial reform of NHS dental services since the introduction of the NHS in 1948, backed by a recurring investment from this Government of almost half a billion pounds. The data that was published yesterday shows almost 400,000 unique patient contacts in NHS primary care dentistry in November 2023 alone. That does not reflect a system that is “in crisis”, as has been suggested.

That said, although I am encouraged by how the sector has engaged with payment reform, I am not complacent. We recognise that payment reform is not a remedy for all the ills, and we know that in some areas local access problems remain, driven in part by the same workforce problems that I alluded to earlier.

Again, aligned to the action plan, we are already actively consulting the sector on ways to strengthen the NHS dental workforce, including greater utilisation of highly skilled dental therapists. The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health has also initiated and led discussions with her counterparts in the other UK nations regarding ways in which we can increase the number of overseas dentists coming to the United Kingdom. I am pleased to see that, as a result of those discussions, the Department of Health and Social Care has already moved to consult on reform of that vital pipeline.

I am under no illusions—I know that the NHS dental sector has faced, and continues to face, significant challenges, so I give my heartfelt thanks to dentists working in the NHS for their resilience and dedication. The shadow of the pandemic and other external factors remain, not just in Scotland but across the UK. I am, however, proud that Scotland is the only nation in the UK to actively tackle those challenges head-on through significant generational reforms. That is despite our already being in a relatively stronger position.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12215, in the name of Willie Rennie, on the crisis in NHS dentistry. I would be grateful if members who w...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
In case members have not had enough of me, I will speak in this debate, too. In preparation, I asked for people’s experiences of NHS dentistry. I had a tidal...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Can you confirm that the motion has been moved?
Willie Rennie LD
That was a rookie error. I move, That the Parliament believes that there is a crisis in NHS dentistry; considers that it is deeply concerning that people a...
The Cabinet Secretary for NHS Recovery, Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
The previous debate focused on the importance of care being delivered in our communities through, and in partnership with, general practices. This debate is...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary speaks about the preventative agenda being foremost in his thoughts, but how can dental treatment be preventative when there are two ye...
Neil Gray SNP
I will come on to talk about some of the detail of the work that we are doing with the industry to provide greater capacity, so that Sue Webber can be reassu...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary explain why private sector dentistry is not facing the same pressure as NHS dentistry, post-pandemic?
Neil Gray SNP
There are pressures across the dentistry sector. I do not think that it would be fair to say that any one part is facing the pressures alone. That is why we ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, cabinet secretary, you must conclude.
Neil Gray SNP
I move amendment S6M-12215.2, to leave out from first “believes” to end and insert: “recognises the significant challenges in dental services, compounded by...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I should say that we are very tight for time this afternoon—we have no time in hand. I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-12215.3. You h...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests—I am a practising NHS general practitioner. There we have it from the cabinet secretary: e...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I take this opportunity to welcome the new cabinet secretary to his place. It was remiss of me not to do so during the previous debate, but I do so now. I al...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. I call Liam McArthur, to be followed by David Torrance. 16:28
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
A year ago, in a similar Scottish Liberal Democrat debate, I suggested that any objective analysis of NHS dentistry across Scotland could only conclude that ...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
We all know that Opposition parties do not like talking about Brexit, but given that approximately 60 per cent of the dental workforce is European, to simply...
Willie Rennie LD
Will the member give way?
David Torrance SNP
I am short of time.
Willie Rennie LD
I will be very brief.
David Torrance SNP
No, thank you. It is fair to say that the rate of NHS registration is also significantly higher in Scotland than in the rest of the United Kingdom, with mor...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Two years ago, the Scottish Conservatives held a debate called “Preventing the Collapse of NHS Dentistry in Scotland”. Two years on from that debate, NHS out...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
As Willie Rennie highlighted, we are seeing more people struggling to get access to NHS dentistry in Fife. David Torrance can defend the Scottish Government ...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
As I did in the previous debate, I thank all the professionals working in the sector for their hard work. I also thank the BDA for its briefing ahead of the ...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
Like the offices of all other members in this debate, my constituency office receives a huge number of contacts from people who present with very serious pro...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Fergus Ewing is right to talk about the issue of potential bonds on new dental graduates, but is he also interested, as the Liberal Democrats are, in how eas...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I totally agree with that point. Unnecessary bureaucratic imposts are one of the things that are really holding Scotland back across the range. Incidentally,...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to winding-up speeches. 16:53
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close the second debate for Scottish Labour. As before, I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this important debate to the chamber in th...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Shocking new figures that were released yesterday have revealed the scale of the crisis in Scottish dentistry. In December last year, the number of patients ...