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Meeting of the Parliament 21 February 2024

21 Feb 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service Dentistry

In case members have not had enough of me, I will speak in this debate, too. In preparation, I asked for people’s experiences of NHS dentistry. I had a tidal wave of responses: indeed, I am still receiving responses this very day. The stories are nothing short of extraordinary—apart from those of Scottish National Party supporters, who, it appears, are all registered with NHS dentists, get an appointment before they ask for one and even have the shiniest teeth on the whole planet.

It is certainly true that many people get a good NHS dental service experience, but so many people do not. Our job in Parliament is never to stop until everyone gets the service that they need and deserve.

The steps that people have taken are nothing short of extreme. Those steps have included DIY dentistry with tools that have been bought on Amazon; travelling hundreds of miles; sometimes paying a small fortune; and hunting for an NHS dentist for weeks on end without success.

Elaine Stewart could not find an NHS dentist in St Andrews, so she is still using her parents’ address on the west coast. She is not alone.

Naomi Kimber from Newburgh is a single mother with no support. She is on universal credit, she cannot work and does not drive. She told me:

“In one month, I spent almost £400 on X-rays, two fillings and cleaning. This left me short for food, which meant I skipped meals so that my son could eat.”

That is what NHS dentistry has brought for that young mother.

Alfie Cook could not get any treatment during the pandemic. He later paid £2,600 for private treatment because he could not get an NHS dentist.

Stephen Kelley from Tayport says that he has now been on a waiting list for four years. He told me:

“I have had to resort to ‘DIY dentistry’ with dental tools purchased on Amazon”.

He added, in brackets, that he was “not joking”.

Another constituent told me that he was going to Turkey for treatment, because it was cheaper to travel all the way there than it was to incur private costs here. So, as well as getting our ferries from Turkey, we are getting our teeth done in Turkey.

NHS dentistry is in crisis. It was in trouble before the pandemic. The British Dental Association says that the revised payment system that the Scottish Government introduced in November last year has made little to no difference.

No dentists in Fife are accepting new NHS patients. This month, Nanodent in Glenrothes said that it had no choice but to shut for “an extended period”. Redburn Dental in Kirkcaldy is going fully private due to on-going pressures. Last year, the Newburgh practice in my constituency went private and the Tayport practice closed altogether. A practice called Mydentist in Prestwick, Ayrshire, dropped 1,500 patients overnight, as it went private.

Almost 82 per cent of NHS dentists in Scotland no longer take new patients, and 83 per cent say that they will reduce their NHS numbers. Therefore, it is absolutely bogus to claim that, because a high percentage of people are registered with an NHS dentist, everything is fine.

Research that was carried out by my party last year found that almost half of people who are registered have not been seen by an NHS dentist in two years, 1.2 million have not had an examination or treatment in five years, and more than 10 per cent have not seen an NHS dentist in more than a decade. New statistics that were published yesterday by Public Health Scotland reveal that there was a 25 per cent drop in the number of NHS dental examinations that were paid for between December 2019 and December 2023—a drop of 50,000 from 195,000.

We should not forget that the SNP has abandoned its promise to abolish all NHS dental charges, but worse than that is that it has increased the charges rather than scrapping them. When the minister stands up next, her first words should be, “There’s a problem with NHS dentistry in Scotland.” If she does that, we can have a serious debate about how to fix it. It should include, I believe, a fee system that reflects the true cost of providing treatment and reverses the 35 per cent real-terms cut that has been made in recent years.

We should raise the cap on numbers of student dentists. Vocational dental training is the entrance to NHS dentistry. We should fund 70 more places, starting this August, and give NHS Education for Scotland the funds to act quickly. Come August, that would open NHS access across the country, with a very moderate financial outlay.

We also need to speed up the registration process for overseas dentists, which currently involves a three-year wait with the General Dental Council. We have the powers to do that in Scotland, so we should get on with it. I know of a dentist who is working as a pizza delivery driver because he simply cannot get registered. The Scottish Government must rewrite the failing NHS recovery plan.

I will finish with a final chilling anecdote; a dentist told me this. Someone with an early stage oral cancer has a five-year survival rate of 80 per cent and a late stage survival rate of only 20 per cent. One oral surgery department reports alarming increases in late presentations of oral cancers. That is something that should send shivers down all of our spines. It is not just about shiny teeth—it is a matter of life and death.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12215, in the name of Willie Rennie, on the crisis in NHS dentistry. I would be grateful if members who w...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
In case members have not had enough of me, I will speak in this debate, too. In preparation, I asked for people’s experiences of NHS dentistry. I had a tidal...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Can you confirm that the motion has been moved?
Willie Rennie LD
That was a rookie error. I move, That the Parliament believes that there is a crisis in NHS dentistry; considers that it is deeply concerning that people a...
The Cabinet Secretary for NHS Recovery, Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
The previous debate focused on the importance of care being delivered in our communities through, and in partnership with, general practices. This debate is...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary speaks about the preventative agenda being foremost in his thoughts, but how can dental treatment be preventative when there are two ye...
Neil Gray SNP
I will come on to talk about some of the detail of the work that we are doing with the industry to provide greater capacity, so that Sue Webber can be reassu...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Can the cabinet secretary explain why private sector dentistry is not facing the same pressure as NHS dentistry, post-pandemic?
Neil Gray SNP
There are pressures across the dentistry sector. I do not think that it would be fair to say that any one part is facing the pressures alone. That is why we ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, cabinet secretary, you must conclude.
Neil Gray SNP
I move amendment S6M-12215.2, to leave out from first “believes” to end and insert: “recognises the significant challenges in dental services, compounded by...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I should say that we are very tight for time this afternoon—we have no time in hand. I call Sandesh Gulhane to speak to and move amendment S6M-12215.3. You h...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests—I am a practising NHS general practitioner. There we have it from the cabinet secretary: e...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I take this opportunity to welcome the new cabinet secretary to his place. It was remiss of me not to do so during the previous debate, but I do so now. I al...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. I call Liam McArthur, to be followed by David Torrance. 16:28
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
A year ago, in a similar Scottish Liberal Democrat debate, I suggested that any objective analysis of NHS dentistry across Scotland could only conclude that ...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
We all know that Opposition parties do not like talking about Brexit, but given that approximately 60 per cent of the dental workforce is European, to simply...
Willie Rennie LD
Will the member give way?
David Torrance SNP
I am short of time.
Willie Rennie LD
I will be very brief.
David Torrance SNP
No, thank you. It is fair to say that the rate of NHS registration is also significantly higher in Scotland than in the rest of the United Kingdom, with mor...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Two years ago, the Scottish Conservatives held a debate called “Preventing the Collapse of NHS Dentistry in Scotland”. Two years on from that debate, NHS out...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
As Willie Rennie highlighted, we are seeing more people struggling to get access to NHS dentistry in Fife. David Torrance can defend the Scottish Government ...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
As I did in the previous debate, I thank all the professionals working in the sector for their hard work. I also thank the BDA for its briefing ahead of the ...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
Like the offices of all other members in this debate, my constituency office receives a huge number of contacts from people who present with very serious pro...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Fergus Ewing is right to talk about the issue of potential bonds on new dental graduates, but is he also interested, as the Liberal Democrats are, in how eas...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I totally agree with that point. Unnecessary bureaucratic imposts are one of the things that are really holding Scotland back across the range. Incidentally,...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to winding-up speeches. 16:53
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close the second debate for Scottish Labour. As before, I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this important debate to the chamber in th...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Shocking new figures that were released yesterday have revealed the scale of the crisis in Scottish dentistry. In December last year, the number of patients ...