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Meeting of the Parliament 07 February 2024

07 Feb 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Social Security (Investment)

We have transformed social security provision in Scotland. We have established a radically different system that is based on dignity, fairness and respect. That system is now an integral part of the social contract between the Scottish Government and the people of Scotland. We have achieved that despite our fixed budgets and the limited powers of devolution.

We are making that safety net for the people of Scotland even stronger through record investment, but all the while, the United Kingdom Government is steadily dismantling the welfare system across the UK and enforcing a sanctions regime that is punishing the most vulnerable people in our society.

In 2024-25, we are committing a record £6.3 billion for benefits expenditure—that is £1.1 billion more than the UK Government gives to the Scottish Government for social security, which demonstrates our commitment to tackling poverty. The Scottish Fiscal Commission forecasts that that figure will rise.

That is essential collective investment in a system from which we may all need help at any time in our lives. The money goes directly to people who need it most in the current cost of living crisis, and it is happening because of the deliberate budget choices that we have made in our national mission on equality, opportunity and community.

This morning, I was at Ibrox primary school hearing from parents who now automatically get early learning and school-age best start grants without the need for a separate application process. That money makes an immediate difference to their daily lives. Furthermore, we are delivering that investment against a backdrop of continued austerity at Westminster, catastrophic cuts to the Scotland block grant and a UK Government autumn statement that was the worst-case scenario for Scotland.

Our Barnett funding, which is driven by UK spending choices, has fallen by 1.2 per cent in real terms since the 2022-23 budget was presented, and the UK Government did not inflation proof its capital budget, which has resulted in a nearly 10 per cent real-terms cut in our capital funding over the medium term. However, as a part of our social contract here in Scotland, and in recognition of the cost of living crisis, we are uprating all Scottish benefits in line with inflation by 6.7 per cent in April.

Benefit expenditure is our single biggest increase in the 2024-25 budget, and it will support 1.2 million people in the year ahead. That means that more than one in five people in Scotland will get one or more of our broad packages of benefits, which range from helping disabled people to live full and independent lives and helping older people to heat their homes to helping low-income families with their living costs.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12079, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on delivering record social security investment in Scotlan...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
We have transformed social security provision in Scotland. We have established a radically different system that is based on dignity, fairness and respect. T...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
When the minister was at Ibrox primary school this morning, did she discuss the very low take-up of the early learning and childcare provision for two-year-o...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
We have indeed spoken about that in the past in the chamber. I recognise Willie Rennie’s continued interest in the area. As he and I have discussed in the pa...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I know about the cabinet secretary’s points from my committee work and agree with many of them, but what work has the Scottish Government undertaken to look ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
As Miles Briggs should know, one of the reasons why the number of complaints has gone up is that the number of cases has gone up exponentially because we too...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
What would the cabinet secretary say to the 50,000 people who are waiting more than three months for disability benefits, some of whom are being forced to go...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
One of the very different aspects of the system that I have just discussed is the fact that Social Security Scotland will gather the supporting information. ...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I remind members that I receive the personal independence payment. I am pleased to take part in the debate. It is always encouraging when we come to the cha...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Does the member recognise that we are spending more money than Westminster because our values are different? That spend includes investment of nearly £500 mi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you the time back, Mr Balfour.
Jeremy Balfour Con
I say with respect that I think that the cabinet secretary has got the wrong end of the stick. I am simply asking, if the Scottish Government is going to nee...
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jeremy Balfour Con
I will in a second. One would think that, if the agency was spending that much on operations, it would be running a bit more smoothly, or at least the hando...
John Swinney SNP
I am grateful to Mr Balfour for giving way, because he is advancing an entirely contradictory argument. On the one hand, he is telling Parliament that the Sc...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I am always happy to try to help Mr Swinney. We have higher and higher costs of administration of the same benefits. We are spending more money on doing the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Cabinet secretary, we need to hear the member who has the floor, which is Jeremy Balfour. Please continue, Mr Balfour.
Jeremy Balfour Con
I am grateful. Up to this point, Social Security Scotland has moved across fewer than 5,000 people per month on average. To meet the new target, the Governme...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jeremy Balfour Con
I will finish this point. I would appreciate it if the cabinet secretary, now or in closing, explained why it will take so long for the report’s findings to ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
The independent review will decide its own timelines, but I suggest that, if Mr Balfour wants any changes to eligibility, it would be useful if the Scottish ...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I ask the cabinet secretary to reflect in closing that the August 2025 date came from her press release. That is the date that the Government has set. I am ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Paul O’Kane joins us remotely to speak to and move amendment S6M-12079.1. 15:19
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This is at least the third debate that we have had on social security in the past 12 months. As always, I will begin with a note of consensus. As in previous...
Kate Forbes SNP
I wonder whether Paul O’Kane could identify specific welfare policies that Labour would reverse that the Tories have introduced.
Paul O’Kane Lab
I believe that Ms Forbes has participated in a number of social security debates in which we have had this interaction before. I am very clear that Labour wa...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
John Swinney will recall how we got here. It was as a result of the Smith commission. I know that John Swinney was not wholly satisfied with the process, but...
Jeremy Balfour Con
Will Willie Rennie give way?
Willie Rennie LD
Not just now. Although it is right to reflect on the decline of child poverty levels, we have not dealt with the root causes of why we have such high levels ...