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Meeting of the Parliament 23 January 2024

23 Jan 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Breastfeeding
Hamilton, Rachael Con Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire Watch on SPTV

Today’s debate focuses on the important topic of breastfeeding. Colleagues from all parties have recognised its importance in their speeches and have been sharing their vital personal experiences; indeed, we have just heard a very good speech in that regard. I, too, want talk about my personal experience, as bringing life into the world is one of the greatest experiences and joys, and I feel very lucky to have done so. It is a very exciting time but, as others have recognised, it can bring a whole host of challenges for many mothers, including breastfeeding.

As I said earlier, I breastfed my three children. It had its ups and downs: I lurched from euphoria to exasperation; I put a lot of pressure on myself and felt judged; and I felt the stigma of feeding in public, as some members have described. I worried all the time that my baby was hungry—I worried, too, that they had had too much.

I had mastitis, and very large refrigerated cabbage leaves became my best friends. I felt very awkward—[Interruption.] The Presiding Officer does not understand that, ladies—he is frowning. Presiding Officer, you buy a giant cabbage and put it in the fridge. Once it is cold, you peel off the leaves one by one and then you—well, I will leave it to your imagination what you do with those leaves next.

I struggled with learning the basic skill of breastfeeding and latching on. Some midwives and health visitors were helpful—some were not. Some of us have slightly forgotten to talk about the mother’s health today, but the fact is that, to succeed at breastfeeding, mothers must also look after themselves nutritionally and emotionally. They must be able to get plenty of rest, but that is sometimes not the reality.

By the time that I had cracked breastfeeding—and there were a lot of cracks—I had to return to work. Members will never believe this, but I went back to work when my eldest was 12 weeks old and my middle daughter 14 weeks old, so by the time that I had got to grips—

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11935, in the name of Jenni Minto, on celebrating and supporting breastfeeding in Scotland. I invite memb...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
I am delighted to open this debate to celebrate and support breastfeeding in Scotland. As the Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health, I am clear that...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I have been listening to what the minister is saying because I am really interested in this subject. In particular, take-up of breastfeeding tends to be lowe...
Jenni Minto SNP
I will come to that idea later in my speech. We have done more than just research; we have put things in place, including family nurse partnerships. The evi...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jenni Minto SNP
I would like to make progress. Using human milk as a bridge to breastfeeding means that Scotland is following international best practice. Protecting, promo...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I admit that progress has been made. However, the Royal College of Midwives has said that midwifery is in crisis, due to turnover. In order to improve the cu...
Jenni Minto SNP
It is clear that the Scottish Government recognises that, and that it has helped to increase the number of midwives. Yesterday, I spoke to two in my constitu...
Rachael Hamilton Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jenni Minto SNP
I am sorry; I must continue. Seeing other women breastfeeding in communities, and hearing breastfeeding being discussed and promoted as part of a normal lif...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Members may wish to know that we have a fair amount of time in hand this afternoon and that, if possible, they will receive time back for any interventions. ...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The benefits of breastfeeding are well known, but the difficulties in establishing and sustaining it for mother and baby are not widely recognised. For many ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I invite Ms White to move her amendment.
Tess White Con
I move amendment S6M-11935.2, to insert at end: “; recognises the benefits of breastfeeding to both the child and the mother, as well as the challenges that...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I have a personal interest in this important topic, having many years ago trained as a dietician and met many mothers and babies over the years. It is also a...
Rachael Hamilton Con
My intervention is about the breastfeeding act that Carol Mochan mentions. I breastfed three children but never in my time saw anyone use that act to protect...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Carol Mochan, I can give you the time back.
Carol Mochan Lab
Thank you very much for that intervention. It is a very good point—time passes and we perhaps forget some of the legislation that has been passed when we cou...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak for the Liberal Democrats in this important debate, and I thank Jenny Minto for securing chamber time for it. We ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 15:10
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in today’s Scottish Government debate on celebrating and supporting breastfeeding. Breast milk is the perfect source of nutrition for...
Rachael Hamilton Con
I note with interest the member’s reference to the baby box. What is in it to support women to breastfeed?
Stephanie Callaghan SNP
I hope to hear the detail on that. I asked a parliamentary question about that and the minister confirmed the position. Not too long ago, most of our granni...
Meghan Gallacher Con
I commend Stephanie Callaghan for her work on breastfeeding. I want to mention my experience in relation to health visitors. My daughter has not had all of h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for that intervention, Stephanie Callaghan.
Stephanie Callaghan SNP
I think that that is a little bit off topic, but we definitely need to work really hard to do that. Not every mum will succeed at breastfeeding, but there i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you very much, Ms Callaghan. I remind members that we have a bit of time in hand, so anyone taking interventions should get the time back. 15:17
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Today’s debate focuses on the important topic of breastfeeding. Colleagues from all parties have recognised its importance in their speeches and have been sh...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Rachael Hamilton Con
Yes.