Committee
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee 18 January 2024
18 Jan 2024 · S6 · Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Item of business
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25
It is always a pleasure to be back at the committee, convener, and thank you for the opportunity to make some opening remarks. First, I would like to thank all the organisations that have given evidence to the committee. I have read and listened to their evidence with great interest. The evidence is clear that, although the budget and our announcement to increase culture funding by £100 million annually by 2028-29 are welcome, there remains a need for longer-term clarity and confidence. I would like to take the opportunity of my opening remarks to provide that. I recognise that the additional £15.8 million of funding next year will not rectify years of standstill funding. That is only the starting point of a journey of three phases—sustain, develop and innovate—all of which are important aspects that I have heard referenced by the sector in its evidence. The £15.8 million in the next financial year begins the sustain phase. This is intended to be followed by a further £25 million the year after, with culture budgets £40.8 million higher in 2025-26 than now. The budget will increase cumulatively until it is £100 million per annum higher by 2028-29. That additional resource allows us to move beyond simply sustaining the sector to developing it in innovative ways to support Scotland’s creative sector and its contribution to our own wellbeing economy and international reputation. In line with that, I have recently confirmed to Creative Scotland that we will not direct the use of the additional £6.6 million that will be provided to it in 2024-25, although I expect the organisation to use that money to help the sector to recover, to be sustainable and to innovate. I fully support Creative Scotland’s move towards multiyear funding. As the committee heard last week, that is a critical issue for a lot of, if not most, cultural organisations. I hope that the announcement of the intention to provide an additional £25 million across the culture and arts sector in the next financial year will provide some certainty, and I will continue to argue the case for multiyear funding. Our refreshed action plan supports delivery of the culture strategy and was published alongside the budget last December. The action plan, which was prepared in close engagement with the sector, including the national partnership for culture, has the ambition to support the sector to move beyond its recovery phase. As we implement those plans to sustain the sector, we are also defining the work on the development of the culture and arts sector to provide confidence for the future. Scottish Government senior officials and I will be meeting organisations and third sector partners to discuss that. We will consider all aspects of the sector so that we can support: freelancers, and to attract and retain their talent; community cultural projects in all authorities across Scotland; the national performing companies, so that they can engage and tour with confidence across the country and around the world; festivals, so that they can continue to be world class and contribute to our economy and international reputation; national collections, so that they can innovate and enhance their collections and public experience; the screen sector and its remarkable growth in Scotland, and the opportunities that that brings; the building of resilience and financial stability across the sector; the mainstreaming of culture across Government; and support making progress on participation, with the benefits across public services of health and wellbeing that that brings. 10:15 As part of securing the future of the sector, we will explore new funding streams in addition to Scottish Government funding. I am keen to progress consideration of the Scottish National Party’s manifesto commitment to the percentage for the arts scheme and to draw inspiration from international best practice, such as Denmark’s foundation model. I am aware of the Music Venue Trust’s campaign for a stadium tax to support grass-roots music venues. My colleague the Minister for Culture, Europe and International Development, Christina McKelvie, has encouraged the Music Venue Trust to ask the cross-party group on music to convene an industry round-table discussion on the issue. I look forward to the outcome of that discussion. I am keen to develop links with key philanthropists in Scotland and globally. I want Government networks internationally to support the export of Scottish culture and the sector’s resilience. Our international culture strategy—which will be published soon—will support that ambition. As Neil Bibby MSP mentioned last week, the Scottish Government is only part of the public sector funding picture. Many organisations receive money from local authorities. The Scottish Government will work with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities to ensure that all local authorities understand the important role that culture plays. I look forward to working with partners in COSLA and with individual local authorities on that. We are at a key turning point in relation to the funding for culture and the arts in Scotland. I acknowledge that I am in a privileged position, because we are restoring our culture budget at a time when other administrations are reducing theirs. I have great ambitions for how the sector should grow and thrive. I want to have more opportunities for people across Scotland to experience the empowering potential of culture, including through our community-based programmes such as the Culture Collective network. I am very focused on delivering those ambitions, which our additional funding allows for. I want to work with the committee to develop the suggestions that it has to contribute to that exciting opportunity. I invite committee members and cultural organisations to come to me and my officials with ideas and suggestions about how we can fund the sector.
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The Convener
SNP
Welcome back. Our third item is our final evidence session on the budget. We are joined by Angus Robertson, the Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, Exter...
The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson)
SNP
It is always a pleasure to be back at the committee, convener, and thank you for the opportunity to make some opening remarks. First, I would like to thank a...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. Your opening statement answered many of the questions that were asked by cultural organisations last week, so thank y...
Angus Robertson
SNP
I do not think that there is a single, silver bullet through any of the different organisations or funding streams to help the Scottish culture and arts sect...
Mark Ruskell
Green
I come back to your comments about how the additional £6.6 million will be allocated, and the priorities and themes in relation to that spend. The impression...
Angus Robertson
SNP
I acknowledge the importance of those funds for Creative Scotland as it goes through the significant funding change to multiyear funding. The Scottish Govern...
Mark Ruskell
Green
Thanks for that detailed answer. Other members might also be interested to come in on this issue, but I want to go back to your comments about the need to ...
Angus Robertson
SNP
No. One of the things that I am optimistic and upbeat about is that, given where we have come from—the committee has taken a considerable amount of evidence ...
Kate Forbes
SNP
Some of those who gave evidence previously commented that they were enormously relieved by the budget this year. One comment was about the tension between en...
Angus Robertson
SNP
On the point about relief in the sector that we are turning a corner in funding, a significant number of people in the sector have been very kind about the f...
Kate Forbes
SNP
One other question that is indirectly linked concerns the economic powerhouse of culture. We all know that Scotland faces challenging economic circumstances,...
Angus Robertson
SNP
I agree entirely. To take only one example of that, if one needed any evidence for it—we are getting increasing amounts of evidence about the economic impact...
Kate Forbes
SNP
Thank you.
Donald Cameron
Con
Cabinet secretary, you have given some clarity to Mark Ruskell on the £6.6 million that is going to Creative Scotland, but I want to ask about the longer-ter...
Angus Robertson
SNP
Thank you for the question—there was a lot in there. I understand that everybody who cares about the culture and arts sector wants the maximum financial supp...
Donald Cameron
Con
I want to ask about the Edinburgh festival fringe, which you mentioned. Shona McCarthy of the Edinburgh Festival Fringe Society outlined to the committee in ...
Angus Robertson
SNP
First off, Edinburgh has a deserved reputation as the festivals capital of the world, and not just because of the decades of festivals that we have had in Sc...
Neil Bibby
Lab
Good morning, cabinet secretary. Following on from Donald Cameron’s question, I note that, last week, we heard about the need for urgency as well as clarity....
Angus Robertson
SNP
It is in addition to the £15 million-plus in this budget. It is cumulative. What we are saying is that, every year, the funding will be in addition to the mo...
Neil Bibby
Lab
My point was that, up until now, there was talk of a minimum of an extra £25 million coming online, but I understand that it is £25 million.
Angus Robertson
SNP
Sorry, but can I stop you there? I have just said that it is £25 million in addition to the £15 million-plus that is being committed in this budget, so it is...
Neil Bibby
Lab
Yes, but previously the indication was that it would be a minimum of £25 million—
Angus Robertson
SNP
I have just confirmed, again, that it is cumulative, so it is just over £40 million additional.
Neil Bibby
Lab
The point that I was going to make is that it would have been a minimum of £40 million if it was more than £25 million. In terms of the clarity that you are...
Angus Robertson
SNP
I have now said this three or four times, I think, so there should be no doubt about the clarity of the commitment that has been given about the additional £...
Neil Bibby
Lab
On that, the Government has pointed to an increase in this budget, as it has done on a number of occasions. However, we know that the culture budget was cut ...
Angus Robertson
SNP
I totally understand the question that Mr Bibby is asking and that is being asked by people in the wider culture and arts sector who, understandably, want ma...
Neil Bibby
Lab
If we want to sustain culture and cultural activity and participation, it is important that we ensure that the right resource—whatever that is—is in place. I...
Angus Robertson
SNP
We need to be fully aware that the support of culture is not just the responsibility of the Scottish Government and Scottish Government agencies. Working in ...
The Convener
SNP
I am a wee bit conscious of the time because we also have a private agenda item this morning, but I will move to questions from Mr Stewart.