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Meeting of the Parliament 17 January 2024

17 Jan 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Health Service Waiting Times

We all admire the dedication and hard work of NHS staff. Whatever help we need, they go to incredible lengths to keep us healthy, and we owe them our thanks for the work that they do. However, despite the amazing efforts of NHS staff, Scotland’s health service is in crisis.

Staff have been let down by the lack of support from the SNP Government. Systemic problems in our NHS have driven excellent nurses and doctors to breaking point. No matter how hard they work, they cannot give every patient the care that they deserve any more. That is the grim reality of Scotland’s NHS under the SNP’s leadership.

There is a crisis at practically every level of the NHS. Years of sub-par plans from the SNP, including Humza Yousaf’s flimsy NHS recovery plan, have seen the situation in our NHS spiral out of control. The SNP will blame the pandemic, but the reality is that most of these problems were already apparent before Covid; the pandemic only made them worse.

The situation in the NHS right now is that waiting times in A and E have hit record worst-ever levels. The treatment time target for A and E is four hours. However, since this session of Parliament began, that target has been missed more than 1 million times. That does not just inconvenience people, it costs lives. Last year, the Royal College of Emergency Medicine said that one extra death occurs for every 72 patients who wait more than eight hours in A and E. Based on those figures, more than 1,400 people lost their lives because of A and E waiting times just to the end of September last year.

The problems at A and E have sent the ambulance service into crisis, too. Ambulances are regularly forced to queue for hours outside hospitals before they can admit a patient and get back out on the road. The consequence is people waiting absurdly long times for ambulances—even up to 15 hours.

And the issues do not end there. People are often leaving treatment until it becomes an emergency and they need to attend A and E or get an ambulance because they have not been able to get a GP appointment. They cannot get an appointment quickly because there are simply not enough GPs. The SNP’s poor workforce planning has left GPs struggling to meet demand. The British Medical Association says that we need another 1,000 GPs to plug gaps. The SNP promised to increase GP numbers, but it is going in the wrong direction.

That is not the only broken promise from the SNP on Scotland’s NHS. Perhaps most damaging has been its failure to end delayed discharge, which the Deputy First Minister said it would do nine years ago. The consequences of failing to meet that promise have been huge. Almost 2,000 beds are occupied every day due to delayed discharge.

Neither is the SNP’s failure to recruit more GPs the only serious workforce issue in Scotland’s NHS. Spending on agency staff has quadrupled in two years, there are more than 5,000 nursing vacancies in NHS Scotland, and staff turnover is at its highest rate in a decade.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11874, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on ending long waits in the national health service. 16:01
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Scotland saw in the new year with accident and emergency departments in utter disarray as thousands of people—the sick and the injured—experienced long and d...
The Cabinet Secretary for NHS Recovery, Health and Social Care (Michael Matheson) SNP
As a Government, we remain focused on ensuring that our health service continues to recover from the long-term effects of the pandemic. Scotland is not uniqu...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Michael Matheson SNP
I will if the member allows me to make progress first. The number of waits of more than 78 weeks reduced by 30.1 per cent as of September last year, and 34 ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Is it not the case that you promised to end those waits, not simply reduce them, and that, by your own measure, you have failed?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Please always speak through the chair.
Michael Matheson SNP
As I have set out, the reality is that we are making substantial progress, but, clearly, more needs to be done and we are determined to do that. I know that...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Michael Matheson SNP
I need to make progress, given the limited time, I am afraid. For example, since 2021, we have invested £8.6 million in programmes through the Centre for Su...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests as a practising NHS general practitioner. There we have it: everything is fine h...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
In the Borders, people are having to wait 39 weeks for their first appointment for CAMHS treatment. The Government should apologise for the appalling lack of...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I could not agree more. Our kids are suffering and our SNP Government is not looking after them. Let us look at the NHS estate. The SNP’s manifesto pledged...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am very grateful to Jackie Baillie for bringing the motion to Parliament. Before I begin my remarks, I congratulate her on her investiture as a dame at the...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:22
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This issue is perhaps the one that I hear most about from constituents across South Scotland, and that is why it is essential that it is given fair hearing h...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I hold a bank nurse contract with NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. As some...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Once again, it was the pandemic that did it. That is the sole reason that we have heard from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care for the crisis ...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
We all admire the dedication and hard work of NHS staff. Whatever help we need, they go to incredible lengths to keep us healthy, and we owe them our thanks ...
Clare Haughey SNP
Will the member give way?
Annie Wells Con
I do not have time. I have a lot to say and I am in my final minute. The consequences of those systemic problems are that our excellent NHS staff cannot del...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
It is a pleasure to speak in this very short debate on Scotland’s health service. It is important to recognise at the outset the challenges that we face and ...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Dame Jackie Baillie on the honours that she received today. I am disappointed that she did not wear the hat to the chamber. When Opposition p...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
With regard to this afternoon’s debate on the NHS in Scotland, it is worth observing that the substantive motion before us from the Labour Party offers not a...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to winding-up speeches. 16:53
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The complacency of the SNP Government as the NHS spirals is staggering. As we have heard in the debate, from waiting times to workforce planning the NHS is i...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Always speak through the chair, please.
Tess White Con
The SNP says that the NHS has record staffing levels, but the SNP does not like to hear the truth. The reality is that the NHS has massive vacancies and high...
Clare Haughey SNP
Will the member give way?
The Presiding Officer NPA
The member must conclude.