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Meeting of the Parliament 17 January 2024

17 Jan 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education
Forbes, Kate SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

Forgive me for not being present, although it might be timely to spare a thought for the many young Highland pupils who are off school today due to the snow and ice.

I will start my remarks with an observation that I think we can all agree with: there is probably no service as critical as education. When it comes to our duties to the public, we have an enormous weight on our shoulders to ensure that our young people, who are growing up through the school system right now, get the education system that they need to prepare them for the future.

I agree with Pam Duncan-Glancy that it is time for action, not debate, but that is precisely what the Scottish Government is doing, with Jenny Gilruth’s leadership on education making clear what is not working right now and the solutions to resolve it. All of Labour’s asks in the motion are difficult to argue with, but they are also all captured in the comprehensive plan that the cabinet secretary set out in December.

One of my biggest hopes for the debates that we have on education is that we move away from inane discussions about inputs and start talking about success as measured in outcomes, skills, knowledge and the ability to thrive. Education Scotland says that it aims to

“equip young people with knowledge, confidence and skills, giving them a competitive edge in a global job market.”

That is precisely why PISA is so important—because it is a global perspective. PISA matters because international comparisons matter. As I said in a previous debate, they probably matter more than comparisons with previous so-called golden ages, which I do not think actually existed.

In December, the cabinet secretary accepted unequivocally that the Government wants to disrupt the trajectory, whether based on attendance, behaviour or PISA figures. She stated that the Government has high ambitions, that being average is not good enough and that we need to pursue excellence. She also made some points in that statement that remain more relevant than ever. She agreed that knee-jerk political responses are not going to help our young people, that we are at an educational juncture, and that we need substantive responses. In the brief time that I have left, I will talk about what that requires.

The first thing is to ensure that our young people are able to read, write and count at a level that is comparable to that of their international peers. To do that, the cabinet secretary has previously promised to improve our curriculum in a planned and systematic way, so that it is relevant and forward looking, with high-quality teaching and learning. She set out the need to focus on maths education and make it a primary area for improvement—it was to be the first area to be improved. That would involve maths specialists, with a full-scale update to the maths curriculum beginning this year, which would then be tested with teachers next year. It would be accompanied by a thematic inspection of literacy and English, to ensure that the English curriculum is meeting those standards.

It is worth observing that we need to ensure that the gaps between Scotland and England and between Scotland and the rest of the world are closed when it comes to the best 10 per cent of pupils, so that we push our brightest as hard as possible.

Secondly, all of that will be in vain without ensuring that we deal with a poverty-related attainment gap—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11875, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, on stand up for quality education. I invite members who wish to ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to give way to Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
With respect, the motion includes all those things because they are interconnected. For too long, parents, teachers and pupils have seen this Government pick...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am not necessarily sure that I agree with the rationale behind Ms Duncan-Glancy’s thinking. Her motion looks to me a bit like a copy-and-paste job. Nonethe...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Jenny Gilruth SNP
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Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The cabinet secretary is in her last 20 seconds.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Cabinet secretary, you need to conclude.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I have been clear in acknowledging the challenges, but I am asking once again for all members to engage constructively in the debate, because it is only by w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, cabinet secretary.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have no time in hand to speak of, so I invite members to stick to the time that they have agreed to. Members have actually agreed to their speaking slots,...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
This is an incredibly important debate, because I think that we would all agree that education is the key brief in sorting out the myriad of issues that Scot...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I hope that it will be a constructive and reasonable Willie Rennie who makes this contribution.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Let us see.
Willie Rennie LD
It might not last, but. Actually, I have some serious issues to raise, some of which we raised this morning in the Education, Children and Young People Comm...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 15:17
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank my colleague Pam Duncan-Glancy for bringing the motion to the chamber on behalf of Scottish Labour. She was right to begin by highlighting the PISA s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Marra, you need to conclude.
Michael Marra Lab
The solution that is coming forward from this Government will result in all the money that they have paid being lost.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Kate Forbes, who joins us remotely. 15:21
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Forgive me for not being present, although it might be timely to spare a thought for the many young Highland pupils who are off school today due to the snow ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Forbes, you need to bring your remarks to a close, please.
Kate Forbes SNP
I will close there. 15:26
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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