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Meeting of the Parliament 10 January 2024

10 Jan 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Asylum Policy and Legislation (United Kingdom Government)

We gather in a new year but, in many ways, not much has changed on the issues that we are debating or the approaches that are being taken to asylum policy and legislation. Prior to Christmas, we had no fewer than five debates on asylum, which covered issues ranging from the Illegal Migration Bill—now the Illegal Migration Act 2023—and the provision of free bus travel for asylum seekers to the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee’s important inquiry into the experience of asylum seekers and refugees and the Scottish Government’s latest independence paper on migration. Those debates have been most beneficial when we have found consensus on our approach and discussed how we can use the Parliament’s powers to make a real difference to the lives of refugees and asylum seekers in Scotland and continue to support them. I point to the important recommendations in the committee’s report in that regard.

On each of those occasions, and in many other debates last year, Labour members condemned the shambolic and uncaring asylum system that the UK Conservative Government operates. On each of those occasions, we reiterated the need for a more humane approach to asylum processing and migration and that migrants, refugees and asylum seekers should feel safe and welcome when fleeing persecution, war and violence. Each time that we have come to the chamber to debate those issues, Labour members have asked the Scottish Government what more it can do to support asylum seekers, address the issues that are outlined in the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee’s report and respond to the challenges that are posed by the Illegal Migration Act 2023.

It may be a new year, as I said, but we have not seen a new approach from the UK Government, which continues to press ahead with the Rwanda scheme despite it being ruled illegal. Next week, it will again be rushed through the House of Commons in its new form. Suella Braverman may have gone as Home Secretary, but the pernicious approach persists, with Tory MPs now battling it out to see how the plan can be made even more deplorable. We have a Prime Minister who now privately thinks that it does not work but clearly sees culture wars as his last throw of the dice this year. I quote Yvette Cooper in the House of Commons yesterday:

“In the end, the only deterrence that the Prime Minister believes in is deterring his Back Benchers from getting rid of him. It is weak … and the taxpayer is paying the price.

It is a totally farcical situation: a Prime Minister who does not think it is a deterrent, a Home Secretary who thinks it is ‘batshit’, a former Home Secretary who says it will not work, a former Immigration Minister who says it does not do the job and everyone”

else who thinks that it is a complete

“sham”.—[Official Report, House of Commons, 9 January 2024; Vol 743, c 228.]

Labour has been clear that we would scrap the Rwanda scheme. It is unethical, unworkable and extortionate. We need real policy changes to deal with the challenges that we face, not the gimmicks that the Conservatives continue to pursue. That is why Labour has set out a five-point plan to fix the asylum system—to form cross-border policing units to crack down on the smuggler gangs that are trafficking people and putting people into unthinkable situations; to clear the backlogs, which we have heard about, to end the long waits and the expensive use of hotels; to reform legal routes for refugees coming to this country; to negotiate new returns and a family reunion agreement with France and other European countries; and to tackle humanitarian crises at source and better support refugees in their own regions. It is simply disingenuous—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11803, in the name of Emma Roddick, on the impact of UK Government asylum policy and legislation in Scotl...
The Minister for Equalities, Migration and Refugees (Emma Roddick) SNP
We recognise that, unfortunately, asylum policy is currently reserved to the UK Parliament under the Scotland Act 1998. The Scottish Government has been clea...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am sure that the minister will want to note that that suggestion, which came from civil servants, was not taken forward by the UK Labour Government and was...
Emma Roddick SNP
I will certainly be pleasantly surprised if a Labour Government comes in at the next UK election and makes big changes compared to the UK Government that we ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I gently remind members who are looking to participate in the debate but have not yet pressed their request-to-speak button to do so now or as soon as possib...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
The United Kingdom has a proud history of supporting refugees. Since 2015, as a country, we have offered a home to more than half a million men, women and ch...
Emma Roddick SNP
Given that the member has a keen interest in housing and homelessness issues, will he back our calls for the UK Government to extend the move-on period for p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for the intervention, Mr Briggs.
Miles Briggs Con
I will come to that point later in my speech. The briefings that were provided for the debate make a very important case for that extension and it is somethi...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Does Miles Briggs recognise that the values that the UK Border Agency employs in matters such as age verification do not necessarily match the values that we...
Miles Briggs Con
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The Minister for Culture, Europe and International Development (Christina McKelvie) SNP
Will the member give way?
Miles Briggs Con
I want to make some progress. I have taken two interventions and I am not sure that the Deputy Presiding Officer would give me that much time back. Uncontro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that we have a bit of time in hand, so members who take interventions will get the time back. 15:16
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the member give way?
Paul O’Kane Lab
I will finish this point and then I will give way. It is disingenuous to say that there would be no change with a Labour Government.
Donald Cameron Con
Would a future Labour Government—were the hypothetical situation to arise in which we had a Labour Government—process applications abroad?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that, even if they are quoting other members, there are still requirements that must be met with regard to the language that is used in the ...
Paul O’Kane Lab
I am very sorry, Deputy Presiding Officer. I blame Yvette Cooper rather than myself, but I take the point, which was well made. I apologise to any colleagues...
Emma Roddick SNP
Will the member give way?
Paul O’Kane Lab
I will.
Emma Roddick SNP
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Paul O’Kane Lab
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Government for bringing the motion to Parliament this afternoon. As Paul O’Kane said, here we are again. It is vitally important that th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before we move to the open debate, I give a timely reminder to members who are participating in the debate that they should remain for opening and closing sp...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Article 14 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads: “Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from pe...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
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Donald Cameron Con
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