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Meeting of the Parliament 09 January 2024

09 Jan 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Changing Places Toilets
Kerr, Stephen Con Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

The minister says that she is delivering on her commitment, but the Government has not spent a penny of the £10 million. It is not delivering on anything when it does not spend an amount that it announced with great fanfare, which meant so much to so many people.

I have seen for myself the difference that it makes to families when they are able to have a day’s outing to some attraction or venue and know that they will be able to properly look after a family member who has profound needs. Without the use of changing places, those families would not be able to enjoy being together outside of the home. I have seen for myself what it means to parents, carers and siblings to be able to enjoy time together with all members of their family. Changing places toilets make that possible. It is transformative and not just something that is nice to have—it is indispensable and essential.

One of the most memorable days that I had when I served as the member of Parliament for Stirling was the day that I was invited to attend the opening of the new changing places facilities at Blair Drummond Safari and Adventure Park. I cannot speak too highly of Blair Drummond safari park, which is a business that adds so much enjoyment to the lives of so many people. I met families that day who were going to be able to make good use of the new changing places facilities. That is something that I will never forget, because I could see in the faces of the parents, carers and siblings just how much it meant to visit the safari park together as a family. It was made very clear to me that there was no possible way in which that day’s outing would have been possible if it was not for changing places. Things that we might all take for granted were accessible and available to those families.

I pay tribute to PAMIS and the dedicated work that it does on behalf of profoundly disabled people and their families, especially in the area of changing places.

To govern is to choose; it has always been about priorities, and that is especially true when it comes to something as necessary as making it possible for profoundly disabled people to leave their homes, be with their families and create special times and special memories. The older we get, the more we realise how important making memories is.

I have some dear friends who had a profoundly disabled son. I saw the lengths that they were prepared to go to as parents and as siblings to make their son and brother an inclusive part of the time that they spent together, making memories as a family. Sadly, their son and brother passed away suddenly, but they have very happy memories to look back on and to draw consolation from.

Therefore, I call on the minister to make good on the commitment that the Government made to families such as my friends who are depending on the delivery of the public investment in question. I think that the minister should explain, for clarity, where the £10 million is. Has it been spent somewhere else? Does it still exist as a budget line? If the money has been reallocated, she should please tell us. It is a fundamental question. Please can we have a straight answer? Where is the £10 million? That is how strongly I feel about the issue. Let us see some energy and action from the minister on the issue. I say to her: show some leadership.

I hope that the minister will take the opportunity to make it absolutely clear that she will immediately begin to deliver on what was promised to those families. They are looking to us in this Parliament for help, and we should not, and must not, fail them.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-10378, in the name of Jeremy Balfour, on addressing the availability of changing place...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I wish a happy new year to you and everyone in Parliament. I am delighted to have secured this members’ business debate...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I gently remind members who are looking to participate and who have not yet done so that they need to press their request-to-speak buttons. 17:11
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
I thank Jeremy Balfour for bringing this important debate to the chamber. In this Parliament, we aspire to a Scotland that is fair and that has dignity and r...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to Evelyn Tweed for giving way because she is making a very impassioned and convincing speech. Will she join Jeremy Balfour in calling on the m...
Evelyn Tweed SNP
I thank Stephen Kerr for his intervention. I will ask the minister for some reassurances further on in my speech. The Tyndrum community has done an amazing ...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to contribute to the debate, and I congratulate my colleague Jeremy Balfour on having raised this crucial subject. As a former member of the ...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As convener of the cross-party group on changing places toilets, I am delighted to participate in this evening’s debate. I thank Jeremy Balfour not just for ...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, am delighted to speak in the debate. As a member of the changing places toilets cross-party group, I, too, pay tribute to Jeremy Balfour for securing...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Stephen Kerr, who will be the final speaker in the open debate. 17:31
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Jeremy Balfour on bringing the motion to the chamber. I recognise his tireless efforts on behalf of disabled people in Scotland and the passio...
Maree Todd SNP
To be absolutely clear, for the record, this Government has not reneged on the commitment. The commitment in our SNP manifesto and in the 2021 programme for ...
Stephen Kerr Con
The minister says that she is delivering on her commitment, but the Government has not spent a penny of the £10 million. It is not delivering on anything whe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call the minister, Maree Todd, to respond to the debate. 17:36
The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I thank Mr Balfour for his on-going work to promote the importance of changing places toilets, which has allowed us time in the chamber to discuss those toil...
Paul O’Kane Lab
I met the minister’s predecessor to discuss the issue in the early days of the parliamentary session, when we began the cross-party group. On the issues that...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back.
Maree Todd SNP
I assure Paul O’Kane that the groundwork is being done. Our £10 million investment is three and a half times bigger than that of England on a population basi...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the minister give way?
Maree Todd SNP
I would like to complete this point, if Stephen Kerr will give me a moment. He had his time—he had more than four minutes.
Stephen Kerr Con
That is not for the minister to say.
Maree Todd SNP
I would like to use my time to put across the Government’s point of view, if that is okay with Stephen Kerr. I am lucky enough to have the Ullapool harbou...
Stephen Kerr Con
It is almost more important that Jeremy Balfour, who has tried three times to intervene, is allowed to make an intervention, because it is his debate. I simp...
Maree Todd SNP
I have made it absolutely clear that the fund will open at the start of next year. We have some groundwork to do between now and then. I look forward to meet...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Can the minister confirm whether the £10 million of funding will be entirely within the 2025-26 budget? Is that what she is saying?
Maree Todd SNP
No, that is not what I am saying. If Douglas Lumsden had been listening carefully, he would know that I have said several times in the chamber, today and on ...
Evelyn Tweed SNP
The minister mentioned rurality. Will the Government consider the need to provide a good spread of changing places toilets? In my contribution, I mentioned t...
Maree Todd SNP
Absolutely. It is crucial that we consider the entirety of Scotland. One of the challenges that we face in Scotland is that we have a much more rural hinterl...