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Meeting of the Parliament 09 January 2024

09 Jan 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Changing Places Toilets
White, Tess Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I, too, am delighted to speak in the debate. As a member of the changing places toilets cross-party group, I, too, pay tribute to Jeremy Balfour for securing parliamentary time and for the extensive work that he has done on this important issue over the years. I also thank PAMIS, Enable Scotland and Capability Scotland for their contributions to the CPG and their wider work.

Why is adequate, hygienic and accessible toilet provision so important? It is about so much more than being caught short; it is about equality and ensuring that all people can go out and live life as fully as possible and that no one is left behind. As Jeremy Balfour emphasised, changing places toilets represent the difference between inclusion and exclusion. It is about dignity and making sure that pregnant and postpartum women, women on their periods, menopausal women and people with special needs and conditions such as urinary incontinence, Crohn’s disease and colitis are not isolated and can leave their homes without anxiety, fear or embarrassment.

Providing safe and accessible spaces is important in a dignified society. That requirement also encompasses safety, privacy and protecting the rights of women and girls to single-sex toilets, which was once again emphasised in the recent employment tribunal case Ms V Abbas v ISS Facility Services Ltd.

It is about ensuring that basic human needs are met—basic human needs for privacy, safety and dignity without fear. I was struck recently by a comment in Karen Ingala Smith’s brilliant book “Defending Women’s Spaces”, in which she referred to the “urinary leash” and the restriction of movement due to lack of access to toilets. Freedom, wellbeing, quality of life and the ability to participate in public life are all facilitated by something as seemingly mundane as a toilet.

I helped to care for my two elderly parents-in-law, who both suffered from dementia. A trip out, no matter how routine, required a lot of prior planning. I know exactly which towns near my home have accessible toilets, and I know the many that do not. This topic is close to my heart, because many carers have told me that they need accessible toilets to take the people who are in their care out for visits. It is about quality of life for those who are in danger of isolation. Accessible, clean and safe toilets are a basic human need.

Over the festive period, I spoke to constituents who shared with me their concerns and feedback that public toilets are either closed or filthy. Sadly, those that are not are rare. Toilets on station platforms are accessible only when there is a guard on duty, which is a barrier that prevents people from travelling. As my colleague mentioned, Dundee railway station did not even include a changing places toilet when it was redesigned. Thanks to Scottish Conservative campaigning, PAMIS and local activism, ScotRail eventually relented.

In the north of Scotland, fully accessible toilets are harder to come by. Many of the 267 changing places toilets are concentrated in Scotland’s central belt and urban population centres. Those are, of course, much needed, but provision falls away the further north you go. As Evelyn Tweed pointed out, the issue is not just in the west of Scotland—there is a significant issue the further north you go.

I pay tribute to Councillor Lois Speed, who campaigned for and successfully secured a changing places toilet in Arbroath. Too many north-east communities do not have fully accessible toilet facilities.

In its 2021-22 programme for government, the SNP Government was right to commit, as we have heard today, £10 million to changing places toilets, but the minister, Maree Todd, has confirmed that there are no plans to allocate and distribute the funds before 2025. What is the reason for that inaction? Why is it that the SNP can go full steam ahead with its overseas office network at a cost that is just shy of £9 million but cannot deliver on a £10 million promise of funding for fully accessible toilets? Meanwhile, the UK Government has already started distributing its own £30 million fund.

The SNP Government’s implementation gap has left so many people behind: people with disabilities and special needs; carers; women; and parents with children. The SNP Government must focus on its priorities and get a move on so that all people across Scotland can access toilet facilities that are suitable for their specific needs safely and with dignity.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-10378, in the name of Jeremy Balfour, on addressing the availability of changing place...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I wish a happy new year to you and everyone in Parliament. I am delighted to have secured this members’ business debate...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I gently remind members who are looking to participate and who have not yet done so that they need to press their request-to-speak buttons. 17:11
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
I thank Jeremy Balfour for bringing this important debate to the chamber. In this Parliament, we aspire to a Scotland that is fair and that has dignity and r...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to Evelyn Tweed for giving way because she is making a very impassioned and convincing speech. Will she join Jeremy Balfour in calling on the m...
Evelyn Tweed SNP
I thank Stephen Kerr for his intervention. I will ask the minister for some reassurances further on in my speech. The Tyndrum community has done an amazing ...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to contribute to the debate, and I congratulate my colleague Jeremy Balfour on having raised this crucial subject. As a former member of the ...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As convener of the cross-party group on changing places toilets, I am delighted to participate in this evening’s debate. I thank Jeremy Balfour not just for ...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, am delighted to speak in the debate. As a member of the changing places toilets cross-party group, I, too, pay tribute to Jeremy Balfour for securing...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Stephen Kerr, who will be the final speaker in the open debate. 17:31
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Jeremy Balfour on bringing the motion to the chamber. I recognise his tireless efforts on behalf of disabled people in Scotland and the passio...
Maree Todd SNP
To be absolutely clear, for the record, this Government has not reneged on the commitment. The commitment in our SNP manifesto and in the 2021 programme for ...
Stephen Kerr Con
The minister says that she is delivering on her commitment, but the Government has not spent a penny of the £10 million. It is not delivering on anything whe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call the minister, Maree Todd, to respond to the debate. 17:36
The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I thank Mr Balfour for his on-going work to promote the importance of changing places toilets, which has allowed us time in the chamber to discuss those toil...
Paul O’Kane Lab
I met the minister’s predecessor to discuss the issue in the early days of the parliamentary session, when we began the cross-party group. On the issues that...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back.
Maree Todd SNP
I assure Paul O’Kane that the groundwork is being done. Our £10 million investment is three and a half times bigger than that of England on a population basi...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the minister give way?
Maree Todd SNP
I would like to complete this point, if Stephen Kerr will give me a moment. He had his time—he had more than four minutes.
Stephen Kerr Con
That is not for the minister to say.
Maree Todd SNP
I would like to use my time to put across the Government’s point of view, if that is okay with Stephen Kerr. I am lucky enough to have the Ullapool harbou...
Stephen Kerr Con
It is almost more important that Jeremy Balfour, who has tried three times to intervene, is allowed to make an intervention, because it is his debate. I simp...
Maree Todd SNP
I have made it absolutely clear that the fund will open at the start of next year. We have some groundwork to do between now and then. I look forward to meet...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Can the minister confirm whether the £10 million of funding will be entirely within the 2025-26 budget? Is that what she is saying?
Maree Todd SNP
No, that is not what I am saying. If Douglas Lumsden had been listening carefully, he would know that I have said several times in the chamber, today and on ...
Evelyn Tweed SNP
The minister mentioned rurality. Will the Government consider the need to provide a good spread of changing places toilets? In my contribution, I mentioned t...
Maree Todd SNP
Absolutely. It is crucial that we consider the entirety of Scotland. One of the challenges that we face in Scotland is that we have a much more rural hinterl...