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Meeting of the Parliament 09 January 2024

09 Jan 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee Report: “How Devolution is Changing Post-EU”
Adamson, Clare SNP Motherwell and Wishaw Watch on SPTV

That is one of the aspects that we have considered. The committee looked at how the common frameworks are developed, and we noted that there is a lack of transparency. That is very much civil service driven, and the implications for both Parliaments and the other devolved Parliaments that are engaged in the process are opaque to us at the moment. I recognise John Swinney’s concerns and the particular example that he has raised. The committee did not consider that specifically, but we may return to it.

As I said, the committee believes that there is a need to re-articulate the definition and principles of the frameworks in the light of experience to date and our constitutional landscape. It recommends that there should be a new memorandum of understanding between the UK Government and the devolved Governments that should include a supplementary agreement on common frameworks, which should include clarity on their purpose and give further transparency to the process.

Finally, I turn to our consideration of the Sewel convention. The committee has stated previously that that convention was “under strain” following the UK’s departure from the EU. Although the Scotland Act 2016 gave statutory recognition to the convention, that did not alter its status, and it did not become judicially enforceable. There continues to be considerable debate about whether the convention should be strengthened in law and subject to judicial review, whether it can be strengthened on a non-statutory basis or whether no strengthening at all is required.

We note that there is clearly a fundamental difference of viewpoint between the UK Government and the devolved Governments regarding the operation of the Sewel convention. It is also clear that that has led to a deterioration in relations between the UK Government and the devolved Governments. The committee’s view is that that level of disagreement on a fundamental constitutional matter is not sustainable, particularly in the context of what is an increasingly shared space at an intergovernmental level.

We note the view of UK ministers that

“it is sometimes necessary for the UK Government to act in its role as the government for the whole of the UK.”

We also note their view that

“it is necessary that the UK Government can fulfil the role of the UK’s national government”.

We are unclear what “necessary” means in that context and note that that is not stated in either the memorandum of understanding or the devolution guidance notes. It is also unclear how “necessary” relates to “not normally” and what the threshold is for necessity in justifying overriding the devolved consent of this Parliament or that of the Welsh and other devolved Parliaments. It is essential that we have an opportunity to hear from the UK Minister for Intergovernmental Relations to discuss the findings of the committee’s report and his written response to our previous letters.

Finally, I want to mention an event that happened yesterday at the University of Strathclyde, where we brought together academics, practising lawyers, former civil servants and postgraduate and PhD students from across these islands—from Queen’s University in Belfast to Durham University and the University of Liverpool, to name a few—to discuss the findings of the report and examine the issues in further detail. There will be a published note from that meeting and a podcast that was chaired by Professor Andrew Tickell, with me and my deputy convener, Donald Cameron. I commend those to the Parliament.

I move,

That the Parliament notes the conclusions and recommendations contained in the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee’s 5th Report, 2023 (Session 6): How Devolution is Changing Post-EU (SP Paper 453).

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11698, in the name of Clare Adamson, on behalf of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture ...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, could you confirm how much time I have for my opening speech?
The Presiding Officer NPA
You have 12 minutes.
Clare Adamson SNP
Thank you very much. I put on record my thanks to our committee clerks, colleagues from across other legislatures and all those who gave evidence to our inqu...
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
I am enjoying Clare Adamson’s thoughtful and substantial speech. Has the committee considered what the respective roles of the United Kingdom Government and ...
Clare Adamson SNP
That is one of the aspects that we have considered. The committee looked at how the common frameworks are developed, and we noted that there is a lack of tra...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Angus Robertson. You have up to 11 minutes, cabinet secretary. 14:51
The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
Thank you very much. Happy new year to you, Presiding Officer, and to members right across the chamber. Like Clare Adamson, I am delighted to participate in...
John Swinney SNP
Before the cabinet secretary develops his argument, I wonder whether I could take him back to his opening argument about the actions of the public in Scotlan...
Angus Robertson SNP
John Swinney makes his point clearly and persuasively. I am really keen that, given that the report was agreed unanimously—all the political parties were in ...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Is that not what the convener was seeking earlier in relation to the definition of “not normally”? In the period up to 2018, the only breach was an error—tha...
Angus Robertson SNP
Indeed, it is. I encourage the member and other colleagues who have views on how governance in the UK might be improved to share them. I believe that the is...
John Swinney SNP
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Angus Robertson SNP
I ask Mr Swinney to forgive me, as I will overrun if I take an intervention at this stage. The committee’s report states: “It is essential that we have the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I can confirm to members that we have no time in hand for this afternoon’s debate, so members will have to stick to their speaking allocations. 15:03
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. At the outset, I state that the Scottish Conservatives are clear about the importa...
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alexander Stewart Con
I want to make a little progress, but I will come back to the member. Philip Rycroft told the committee that “you have to see Brexit as a break point in al...
Kate Forbes SNP
The member said that the post-Brexit period was a test for intergovernmental relations and democracy. Has the UK Government passed that test or failed it?
Alexander Stewart Con
That is a good question to ask, because, as I said, there has been conflict and it continues. That period is still on-going, and we need to look at what we c...
John Swinney SNP
Will Alexander Stewart give way?
Alexander Stewart Con
No, not at the moment. The report also sets out a possible vision for tackling some of those challenges. It received input from the UK Government and the Sc...
John Swinney SNP
Will Mr Stewart give his opinion on the question that I put to the convener about whether there should be changes to the intergovernmental frameworks to enab...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Alexander Stewart.
Alexander Stewart Con
The convener partly answered Mr Swinney’s question about how that would happen. There has been and continues to be a need for the UK Government to understand...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Although I always encourage interventions, I urge members to try to keep them as concise as possible. I call Neil Bibby. 15:12
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I wish you and every member across the chamber a very happy new year. I join the convener of the Constitution, Europe, Externa...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Bibby made the important point that two additional tranches of powers have been allocated to this Parliament. I would contend—I think that Mr Bibby would ...
Neil Bibby Lab
I will come on to that. There are clearly concerns about how devolution has been undermined in recent years post-Brexit. In terms of the democratic way forwa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I want you to close.