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Meeting of the Parliament 20 December 2023

20 Dec 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill
McMillan, Stuart SNP Greenock and Inverclyde Watch on SPTV

First, I will touch on the McClure situation. I raised it in the committee because constituents, some of whom have been seriously affected, came to me with their concerns. My point of caution to colleagues is that, when having dialogue with constituents, they should please give them factually accurate information. The Scottish Legal Complaints Commission is the organisation to deal with the complaints, not the Law Society of Scotland. On 15 January, I am hosting an event in my constituency for constituents to come along to, because of the situation that they have faced with McClure’s. I urge other colleagues to do likewise if they have a large number of people in their patches who have raised the issue with them.

At the outset, I echo the comments from others about the SLC, its work on the bill and its support for the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee’s scrutiny of the bill. The extension of the remit of the DPLRC has been an important advance in helping the Parliament to deal with SLC reports that have been completed but for which time had not been found in Parliament to implement the legislative changes that were suggested—a point that Oliver Mundell touched on earlier.

The DPLRC is supportive of the role that it has in scrutinising certain SLC bills. In the past year, the committee has led on two SLC bills, the one that is now the Moveable Transactions (Scotland) Act 2023 and this one. In 2024, the committee will embark on another SLC bill, which has just been introduced—the Judicial Factors (Scotland) Bill. That bill is long overdue, with some aspects of the present law dating back to 1690.

Today, I am not speaking as the convener of the committee, but I know that colleagues past and present who have had the pleasure of serving on the committee encourage the Scottish Government to continue to keep the pipeline of SLC bills coming. The committee is always ready to scrutinise those that meet its criteria for consideration.

I also say, gently, to the whips of all parties that having members serve some time on the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee would provide a greater understanding of some of the vital and sometimes unnoticed work that takes place in this Parliament. In my opinion, the DPLRC and the Public Audit Committee provide two invaluable experiences.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11699, in the name of Siobhian Brown, on the Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill. 16:30
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank the members of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee for their thoughtful and helpful consideration of the Trusts and Succession (Scotland) B...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak in the debate and to confirm that the Scottish Conservatives will support the bill at decision time. As the minister outlined, this is ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I thank the committee clerks and all those who have been involved in the bill. This is a technical bill, but it will have real impacts on people’s lives. I h...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
The victims of McClure’s state that most people who have been let down by McClure’s do not yet know that they are victims and that the situation is vastly un...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I absolutely agree with Bob Doris and I pay tribute to him for giving voice to the victims of McClure’s and inviting them to Parliament to speak to MSPs. I a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 16:46
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
First, I will touch on the McClure situation. I raised it in the committee because constituents, some of whom have been seriously affected, came to me with t...
Bob Doris SNP
Hear! Hear!
Stuart McMillan SNP
Thank you. I thank those who contributed to the committee’s scrutiny of the bill, whether in writing or by appearing before the committee during one of the ...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I begin by thanking the Scottish Law Commission for its detailed and technical work during more than a decade on the different elements of the bill. I am gra...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, I spoke in the stage 1 debate on the Trusts and Successions (Scotland) Bill in September. It is...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Like hitting the microphone with your papers, there are various ways of gaining the Parliament’s attention. We now move to closing speeches. 16:58
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I think that the most recent attempt at awakening the chamber was more successful than your whacking the microphone earlier, Deputy Presiding Officer. Scott...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I hope that members will be able to hear some of the speech from where I am taking part in the debate this afternoon. I am pleased to be able to speak in tod...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
I ask Siobhian Brown to wind up. 17:04
Siobhian Brown SNP
I thank the members who have contributed to the debate. There is a general consensus that the law on trusts is outdated, and the changes that are proposed in...