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Meeting of the Parliament 19 December 2023

19 Dec 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ukrainians in Scotland

It has been 663 days since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, and it has been 3,589 days since Ukraine’s sovereignty was first violated during the illegal annexation of Crimea on 20 February 2014. It remains now, as it was then, an unacceptable and despicable act to launch such aggression on the European continent for the first time in many of our lifetimes. It remains vital, as it was then, to stand side by side with the people of Ukraine and to provide them with the support needed by those who have remained in Ukraine and those who have had no alternative but to flee from Ukraine and seek refuge elsewhere in the world.

Indeed, as we have heard already in the debate, we have welcomed into this country those who were fleeing bombs, artillery and missiles. That was the very least that we could do to demonstrate our firm solidarity with the Ukrainian people. We must continue to offer such a welcome for as long as Ukraine remains unsafe and its people are unable to return home. Those people should know that they have the option of a home in the United Kingdom and that Scotland is a safe place that is available to them with all the support that they would need.

During the debate, we have heard about the important initiatives that Parliament has carried out during the time that I outlined. I add my voice to those of colleagues from across the chamber who have spoken about the strength of the cross-party group on Ukraine, which was established just this month in the Parliament. I hope that it will be a strong vehicle that will allow all of us across the Parliament to offer solidarity and support to the people of Ukraine.

The move by the Scottish Government to establish longer-term support for Ukrainians in Scotland beyond the emergency phase is correct and necessary. It is incumbent on the Government to ensure that the voices of Ukrainians in Scotland are listened to when constructing and implementing that support, and to ensure that the programme of work is carried forward at pace, with all the appropriate resourcing that we would want.

My amendment notes and seeks to add to the Government’s motion. We applaud all ordinary Scots who have welcomed Ukrainian refugees into their homes. It is important to put that on the record in the debate and in the amended motion. When the call for help came, people across the country answered it and demonstrated the very best of us. Their on-going support should never be forgotten in this chamber or elsewhere in Scotland, because it was the ordinary people of Scotland who rose to answer that call and brought people into their homes.

As we move to a longer-term strategy to support those Ukrainians who have come to Scotland as a result of the invasion, it is important that we face up to and solve many of the challenges that are in front of that strategy. We have already heard reference from Miles Briggs to housing being one of the bigger challenges that we know exist. There is a housing emergency in Scotland, and research conducted by Heriot-Watt University for the British Red Cross has shown that Ukrainians are four times more likely to face homelessness than the wider population. That sits on top of previous research from the British Red Cross, which was published back in March, which showed that many Ukrainian refugees were living in inappropriate accommodation.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11696, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on from a warm Scots welcome to a warm Scots future for Uk...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
I am pleased to speak once again on support for Ukraine and the delivery of a warm Scots future for its people here in Scotland. As 2023 draws to a close, it...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I gently remind those members who intend to speak in the debate but have not yet pressed their request-to-speak buttons to do so now, or as soon as possible....
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate and the opportunity, which the cabinet secretary mentioned, for Parliament to reaffirm in the strongest possible terms our solidarity w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Paul O’Kane to speak to and move amendment S6M-11696.1. You have around five minutes, Mr O’Kane. 16:44
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It has been 663 days since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, and it has been 3,589 days since Ukraine’s sovereignty was first violated ...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
In the interests of a more rounded debate, will the member acknowledge that some of the issues with housing came about because the UK took so long to open it...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You may have the time back.
Paul O’Kane Lab
I am grateful, Presiding Officer. I would not deny much of what Mr Brown has said about the challenges that there have been with UK support and ensuring tha...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I declare an interest, having been a sponsor or host under the homes for Ukraine scheme for nine months and also having been placed under official sanction b...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We now move to the open debate. 16:56
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
It is two years since the invasion began, and much of the talk about the invasion in the media now, particularly in the light of other world events, is about...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The time that we had in hand has pretty much been exhausted, so I would be grateful if members could stick to their speaking time allocations. 17:01
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Christmas is the perfect time to have this debate, because it reminds us how much Ukrainian people’s lives have been upturned by Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukra...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I declare an interest as a member of the cross-party group on Ukraine. I welcome the comments about Colin Beattie setting that up in the Parliament. I am als...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
In February 2022, when Vladimir Putin launched his brutal, all-out invasion of Ukraine, which was the worst escalation of the Russo-Ukrainian war since it be...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
In a desperate attempt to be consensual, I note that the quote about “four times” is actually a UK figure and is not really replicated in Scotland. I am not ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you some of that time back, Mr Sweeney.
Paul Sweeney Lab
As my colleague Paul O’Kane intimated, we rely on the briefing by the Red Cross for that information. If the cabinet secretary were to furnish us with equiva...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Will Paul Sweeney take an intervention on that point?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The member cannot give way. He is beginning to wind up.
Paul Sweeney Lab
I am afraid that I do not have time to address that point in detail with Bob Doris, but that is a fine example of the haphazard approach to planning. Althoug...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
The war in Ukraine continues to shock, upset and worry us. We continue to feel and share great admiration for the people of Ukraine as they continue to fight...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Just a week ago, we were here discussing the human rights of asylum seekers in Scotland. Many colleagues highlighted the important contribution that asylum s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Maggie Chapman Green
—and are equally able to contribute to Scotland’s future.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Again, I encourage members to stick to their allocated speaking time. 17:23
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate in support of the Scottish Government’s strategy to help Ukrainians living in Scotland to settle in communities and gain ...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
Sadly, in recent years, we have witnessed numerous international crises that have displaced millions globally, including the situation in Afghanistan, the on...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the closing speeches. 17:31